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Chosen According to God’s Foreknowledge, or Do You Find that Too Arbitrary?

April 13, 2018

1 Peter 1- To the temporary exiles dispersed chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and set apart by the Spirit for obedience and for sprinkling with the blood of Jesus Christ.

Romans 8: 28 We know that God works all things together for the good of those who love God, those who are called according to God’s purpose. 29 For those God foreknew God also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.

Election (being chosen) is discrimination. Election is not a result of a meritocracy.

1. I am not intrinsically less lovable than you

2. what does “intrinsic” mean?

3. Was God less likely to love and elect rich and smart people?

I Timothy 2: God wants them to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Does the sovereignty of God mean that God can and does save sinners even while not teaching them the truth or making salvation involve the sinners ever repenting of the false gospel? NO.

Ephesians 1:9 God has MADE KNOWN to us the mystery of God’s will, according to God’s good pleasure that God planned in Him 10 for the fulfillment of the ages

God elects from all categories

Does God elect more from the category of the poor than from the category of the rich? Does the Bible say that?

Even though we don’t know why God elects one and not another, we know that God makes two kinds of vessels from the one lump. God’s love is not arbitrary but personal

What does “arbitrary” mean?

What’s the opposite of “arbitrary”

Deconstruction locates assumed binary oppositions, with one side of the “other” h parasitic upon its “opposite side” . After the binary (justification, not sanctification, or sanctification, not justification) is set up on the presupposition that the first term must be preserved by reference to the second term We inverse the value system of this binary by showing that the prior term depends upon the second term for its existence This inversion has the effect of calling into question the binary. We push towards dissolution of the terms as they have been structured.

Is the word “natural” the opposite of “arbitrary”?

Is “intrinsic value” the opposite of “arbitrary value”?

Is justice blind and therefore “arbitrary”?

Is election not blind and therefore “not arbitrary”?

If all sinners are disabled, why does God then harden some of these already disabled sinners?
Even if you say that God only “leaves the disabled where they are”, why does God not equally enable all those who are disabled?

God not only discriminates but also disables.

God is always righteous, and therefore God never adjusts to us or need to adjust

Was Christ’s death plan B? Was Christ’s death “arbitrary”. Could God have justified the elect without Christ’s death? Could God have justified the elect without Christ’s incarnation? NO NO NO

1. if righteousness comes through the new birth, then Christ came for nothing

2. if righteousness comes through Christ’s “infinite separation from God”, then there was no need for Christ to become incarnate and die

John Owen–“The fruits of the death of Christ are reckoned as of debt. He for whom a ransom is paid has a right unto his liberty by virtue of that payment”. God declares a value to the death of Christ that is not different from the intrinsic value of the death of Christ. God’s imputation is according to truth. Those God places into Christ’s death are justified.

The Lombard/ Synod of Dordt formula of sufficient for all but efficient only for the elect allows for universal atonement and then a uniting to that universal death by faith. That way you can tell everyone that God loves them but that it is the faith given by the Holy Spirit that calls the elect to that universal death. It is therefore the faith and regeneration that has priority over the death of Christ.

Proclaiming that Christ died for the sins of the elect imputed to Christ by God is saying something different than the Dordt formula. This puts the priority on the death for the elect alone. The ultimate cause of faith is the death imputed not the Spirit uniting to the death. The sinner does not impute his sins to Christ after the Spirit regenerates, nor does the Spirit impute the sins of sinners to Christ. God the Father imputed only the sins of elect sinners to Christ by legal declaration.

I deny that God “could have” willed to forgive without Christ’s satisfaction by death.

Lee Irons—“The voluntarist seizes on the notion of a voluntary condescension expressed by way of covenant. The voluntarist definition of merit is qualified as a lesser merit that cannot even exist apart from God’s gracious acceptation. But God’s sovereign covenants are the revelation of God’s JUSTICE. ”

Click to access redefining_merit.pdf

God’s justice demands the justification of all for whom Christ died

What Good Does It Do For God to See the Train-Wreck Coming?

June 1, 2011

1 Peter 1:20 Jesus Christ was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

Acts 2:23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.

1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood:May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

Ephesians 1:11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

To an Arminian enemy of the gospel:

It’s interesting that you teach that God has prescience of what humans will decide. What good does that do? If God knows already what humans will decide to do with God, what then could God do about what these humans will decide, without turning it all into a big “charade”?

Your god can see if the sinner will repent. That repentance will then cause your god’s love to work. Your god can see if the sinner will not repent. That lack of repentance will then cause your god’s love not to work. This is what you think keeps the whole thing from being a big show and pretend.

Do you ever wonder if you will keep repenting? Your god knows if you will, but since that god is your puppet, there is nothing your god can do one way or the other to keep you repenting. Are you sure you have repented enough? How do you know?

What you need to do is repent of your legalism that conditions salvation on the sinner. You are telling lies on God. God has already decided if you will repent in this way. But I do not know if you will.

God may have already decided to use these questions as a means of your repentance. Or not. God may use them as a means to harden you in your idolatry.

We do not differ on the need of saved sinners to receive and accept God’s gospel. We differ a. on whether the difference between those who believe is in what the human does with “grace” and b. even more importantly, on what the gospel is.

You deny the imputation of the specific sins of the elect to Christ, and thus you deny that Christ’s death serves as a substitute death and that it effectively propitiates God’s wrath toward specific persons.

So the difference between us is not in the need to believe. We have different gospels in which we believe, and different Gods that we worship. You say that Jesus died to give a person a pardon, but they don’t get it because they didn’t accept it.

II Peter 1:1 (with many other Scriptures) teaches that faith in the gospel is a gift of God to the elect because of Christ’s righteousness. John 10: people don’t believe to become sheep, sheep believe because they are sheep. John 17: Christ gives eternal life (knowing Him) to those Christ loves.

Those who deny that all those for whom Christ died are not Christians. They worship a different Christ. They are idolaters. An “atonement” which does not atone is not an atonement at all. It is merely a pretense on which you can build your false idea of a salvation conditioned on the sinner.

It seems clear that you deny that God puts certain people in Christ. Thus I fail to see how you believe in predestination at all. Do you get to be elect by human choosing? Or does God elect who will be saved?

An “universal provision” is not something that saves any sinner. It does not propitiate God for any sinner. It is not sufficient to save any sinner. You are importing your “depends on the sinner” system onto what the Bible clearly teaches about fore-ordination. Do you think that God planned for the death of Christ to take place in all its prophetic details?

If, on the other hand, you think that God is responding to stuff that God fore-sees
humans doing, where is there any room in there for God to intervene or to respond? Sure, the spectator sees that the train is about to wreck. But that’s what makes it dramatic and not a “charade”. If God were to jump in at any point, so that God would fore-see Himself acting and the sinner responding to God, would that kill the drama?

You teach that your god loves everybody and has done enough to save them, if they decide right. So the sinners tip the balance; they have the final and decisive say. And then you dare to suggest that God deciding EVERYTHING would be a “charade”. So you have human decision to make things real.

If God decides ANYTHING without getting human permission, is that also a pretend and a show? Does your god decide he has a plan, and then sinners decide if the plan will work for them?

God Saw the Tape Already, and That’s Why He Chose You?

July 5, 2010

M. R. DeHaan (Eternal Security, p12)—“If God knew that you would be lost, then why would He choose you in the first place? Why save you in the first place, if He knew that you would be lost?”

Harold Barker (Secure Forever, p117)—“If God knew that we would stop believing and thus lose our salvation, then why did God choose us?”

These old time Arminians think that the future is fixed and that God gets to see the tape of what will happen. After God sees what will happen (ie, if you will believe and keep believing), then God chooses those who will believe.

I hope all who read this know that this is not what the Bible means by “foreknowledge”. But my question now is: when God reacts to what man decides, what difference does God’s reaction make? Since the tape that God got to see was of a fixed future, how can that tape (that fixed and knowable future) be changed by God’s choice?

PS: Dehaan’s grandson is not an old time Arminian: he has a different false gospel. I heard it at Cypress Gardens: for the current DeHaan the cross is God’s apology to all of us for the world being so bad.