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We Do Not Know How Long or Short This Present Age Is, But Then Comes Future Resurrection and Immortality

January 3, 2021

I Corinthians 2: 7 The rulers of THIS AGE are coming to nothing. 7 God’s HIDDEN wisdom God predestined BEFORE THE AGES for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age knew this wisdom, because if they had known this wisdom , they would not have crucified the Lord of glory

Galatians 4: 3  We WERE in slavery under the elemental forces of the WORLD. 9 But NOW WE KNOW  God, or rather have BECOME KNOWN by God

Ephesians 3 :9 The mystery hidden for AGES in God who created ALL THINGS is now made known to the rulers and authorities.

John 18: 36  “If my kingdom were FROM THIS WORLD,  my servants would kill. But my kingdom is NOT FROM THIS WORLD

The word “world” in the Bible sometimes means God’s physical creation. Sometimes the word “world” in the Bible means a group of human creatures  (either all those who have not yet believed the gospel, or all those who have believed the gospel). But often the translation “world” refers to an age, an indefinite period of time.

Galatians 1: 4 Our Lord Jesus Christ gave himself for our sins to rescue us from this PRESENT EVIL AGE  according to the will of our God and Father. 5 To him be the glory for the age

Mark 4: 19  The worries of this age and the desires for OTHER THINGS enter in and choke the word, and the seed becomes unfruitful.

I John 2: 16 Everything IN THE WORLD —the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride in one’s possessions—is not from the Father, but is FROM THE WORLD 17 And the WORLD WITH ITS LUSTS is passing away, but the one who does the will of God will  remain

Hebrews 1: 1 Long ago God spoke to our fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. 2 In these LAST DAYS , God has spoken to us by his Son. God has appointed the Son heir of ALL THINGS and made the AGES through the Son . 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of God’s nature, sustaining all things by His powerful word. After making purification for sins, God the Son  SAT DOWN at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
8 God says to the Son–Your throne, God, is for the AGE

Psalm 45: 6 Your throne, God, is for the AGE–The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

Hebrews 5: 6 God said to the Son– You are a priest to the AGE according to the order of Melchizedek.

Psalm 110: 4 The Lord has sworn an oath and will not take it back–“You are a priest to the AGE “

In the future, when there is no more sin or sinners, there will be no more priest.

Revelation 22:21  I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple according to the pattern of Melchizedek.”

Colossians 3:  You died and YOUR LIFE is NOW hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is YOUR LIFE appears, then YOU also will appear WITH HIM in glory”

I Corinthians 15: 51 We will not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
53 For this corruptible must be clothed with incorruptibility,
and this mortal must be clothed with immortality.

There was dust here on earth before there was a “living soul”. There was God’s breath (spirit) before there was a “living soul”. But there was no pre-existing “ eternal soul” before and without the dust and the breath from God To be a soul, you need a body. To be a living soul, you need life from God. But every human life from God that comes biologically through Adam is mortal, because Adam was mortal.

Adam had a supernatural origin
Eve had a supernatural origin
Jesus Christ had a supernatural BIRTH
Mary was the seed of Adam
Jesus was the seed of Adam.
Mary is not the one to save Eve
Jesus Christ is the only Savior

We all began in guilt and nobody’s history in guilt ended until they were imputed with Christ’s death

Romans 6: 4  As Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also walk in a new life Romans 6 11 Consider yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

But even the elect now justified before God already in this age are NOT YET given immortality.

Romans 6: 5 We WILL CERTAINLY also be in the likeness of His resurrection.

Romans 6: 23 The wages of sin is DEATH, but the GIFT of God is lasting life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

in Christ all will be made alive.

I Corinthians 15 :23 Each in his own order– Christ, the first-fruits. THEN, at his coming, those who belong to Christ. 24 THEN COMES THE END when Christ hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when God the Father abolishes all rule and all authority and power. 25 For Christ must REIGN UNTIL God the Father puts all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be abolished is death. 

I Corinthians 15: 45 It is written,  The first man Adam became a living being (Genesis 2:7) The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 

I Corinthians 15:48 Like the man from dust, so are those who are from the dust. Like the man from heaven, so are those who are from heaven. 49  As we have borne the image of the man of dust, we also WILL BEAR the image of the man from heaven.

Immortality will only be given by God to those who God justifies before God , not when God chose them, and not even when God justified them, but only when God the Son returns to earth. God the Son has been raised from death, but the age to come will not arrive for those given to God the Son until God the Son returns to earth. Only then, at some indefinite time (long or short) from now, will the present evil age end and then immortality will be God’s gift for those God loves.

I Timothy 6: 12 Fight the good fight for the faith. take hold of lasting life that you were called to and have made a good confession about in the presence of many witnesses. 13 In the presence of God who gives life, I charge you to keep the command UNTIL THE APPEARING of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 God will bring this about in GOD’S OWN TIME. God is the blessed and only Sovereign, THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS IMMORTALITY.

2  Timothy 4: 6  The time for my  DEPARTURE is close. 7  I have FINISHED THE RACE 8 There is reserved for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me ON THAT DAY and not only to me, but to all those who have loved HIS APPEARING

Notice that this does waiting for the age to come does NOT mean that we don’t care about but Jesus or His future coming. In 2 Timothy 4, Paul immediately writes– 9 Make every effort to COME TO ME SOON 10 Demas has deserted me, because  he loved THIS PRESENT WORLD

1 Timothy 6:17 Instruct those who are rich in the PRESENT AGE not to be arrogant or to set their hope on the uncertainty of wealth, but on God who richly provides us with ALL THINGS TO ENJOY

Philippians 3: 12 Not that I have already reached the goal or am already fully mature, but I make every effort to take hold of the goal because I also have been taken hold of by Christ Jesus. 13… Forgetting what is behind and reaching forward to what is ahead, 14 I pursue as my goal the prize promised by God’s heavenly call in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 3: 20 Our citizenship is from heaven. FROM HEAVEN we eagerly WAIT for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. 21 When He comes, Jesus will transform the body of our humble condition into the likeness of His glorious body, by the power that enables Him to subject everything to Himself.

John 12: 25 The one who loves their life will lose their life , and the one who hates their life IN THIS WORLD  will keep LASTING LIFE

John 1: 10 The true light was in the world, and the WORLD was created through him, and yet the WORLD did not recognize him

John 3: 1 7 For God did not send God’s Son INTO THE WORLD to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him

John 6:14 Then the people said, “This truly is the Prophet who is to come into the WORLD.”

 John 9: 5 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

John 14: 22 How is it  that you are going to reveal yourself to us and NOT TO THE WORLD?

I Corinthians 2: 12 We have NOT received the spirit of the WORLD.  We have received  the Spirit who comes from God, so that we  understand what has been FREELY GIVEN to us by God.

I Corinthians 3: 19 The wisdom of THIS WORLD  is foolishness with God

I Corinthians 7: 29 : The time is limited now . THIS WORLD in its current form is passing away

I Corinthians 11: 29 We are disciplined, so that we not be condemned with the WORLD.

Hebrews 1: 2 God made the AGES  through the Son .

Hebrews 11: 3 By faith we understand that the ages were created by the word of God, so that what is seen was MADE OUT OF what was not visible.

Ephesians 2:  You WERE DEAD  in your sins in which you previously walked according to the ways of this age

Romans 6: 17 But God be thanked, that ye WERE the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine whereto ye were delivered 18 Being THEN made free from sin, you BECAME the servants of righteousness.

David Adkins– “BEING THEN” not BEFORE THEN!” Along with the true gospel form of doctrine God imputed
God’s Son’s Righteousness Obtained by His to individual elect persons. THE LEGAL STATE of these persons WAS PERMANENTLY CHANGED from a state of guilt and condemnation ( sins imputed to us ) to a legal STATE OF JUSTIFICATION, NOT GUILTY, JUSTIFIED by Christ’s Righteousness Accomplished by His death imputed to us.

Titus 1:1  The faith of God’s elect and the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH that leads to godliness in the hope of lasting life that God promised before the ages

Titus 2: 11 The grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation, instructing us to deny worldly lusts and to live in a sensible, righteous, and godly way in THE PRESENT AGE 13 while we wait for the blessed HOPE, the  APPEARING OF THE GLORY of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ

Christ Became guilty for a while, But Christ NEVER Lost Faith and NEVER Became Corrupt

December 21, 2020

2 Corinthians 5:21 God made sin the One who did not know sin, in order that we would BECOME  the righteousness of God IN HIM

If you teach that all the elect are always justified, you need to change the Bible to read—-the One who did not know sin and who was never made guilty .
If Christ never changed legal states
then we the elect
also will never become justified.

But the Bible never says that we always were the righteousness of God
And the Bible never teaches that Christ was not made sin
The Bible teaches Christ became sin

God’s elect are moved by God’s verdict from one legal state to another legal state, so that God’s imputation of Christ’s death results in the new birth and faith in God’s gospel. But withoutexception, all those who God has declared righteous have believed the gospel.

Do you boast in Jesus obeying Moses? Or do you boast in Christ’s death as the righteousness Christ did not have until Christ died?

We BECOME the righteousness of God in Christ. We were not always justified Christ became the righteousness. Christ’s attribute of righteousness is not the same as Christ’s death to satisfy righteousness for the elect

2 Peter 1:1 to those who have obtained a faith of equal privilege with ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Tianqi Wu–Christ did not die to sin’s corruption. Some antinomians teach that Christ not only became human but also became sinful (had a sinful nature). These heretics teach that Christ’s death somehow purged out of Christ’s person the corruption and despair they claim was in Christ’s heart when Christ died. This is truly a lie from the devil, because there was NEVER any corruption (or possibility of corruption) in Jesus Christ, who is holy, undefiled, and separated from sinners

Tianqi Wu–Christ died without any sinful defect imparted or infused to him. Christ was the spotless lamb of God whose death was the unique pleasing sacrifice to God. Christ never felt the corrupting power of sin, or the shame of being polluted. There is no hope in a Christ who is defiled in his own person. There is no hope in a Christ who did not bear anybody’s guilt.

Christ was not only a representative but a substitute. 2 Corinthians 5:21 is not only “made a sacrifice for guilt”
Christ also “became sin”. Christ was made guilty by God’s imputation of the specific sins of all the sins of all those for whom Christ died.

Hebrews 9: 28 Christ having been offered ONCE IN TIME to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time , NOT THAT FUTURE TIME TO BEAR SIN, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.

How was Christ justified? Certainly not by becoming born again. Christ was justified by satisfying the righteous requirement of divine law for the sins imputed to Christ. Christ was justified by His death. Christ needed to be justified because Christ legally bore the guilt of His elect, and this guilt demanded His death. Christ was not justified because of His resurrection. Christ’s resurrection was Christ’s justification, and that declaration was because of Christ’s death.

Romans 8:3 God condemned sin in the flesh by sending His own Son IN FLESH like ours under the guilt of sins imputed

Donald Macleod, Christ Crucified, 2014— Romans 8:3 says that it not Jesus but God the Father who condemns sin in the flesh. While it was indeed in the flesh of his Son that God condemned sin, it was not only in his Son as incarnate, but in his Son as a sin-offering. God condemned sin by passing judgement on his Son. We are justified as ungodly (Romans 4:5), NOT as partakers of a nature which has been united with the divine.

I Corinthians 5:21. Christ was not only made to be the sin offering. Christ was made to be sin. Christ was made to be the sin offering because Christ was first made to be sin. Guilt was transferred to Christ. As the justified become the righteousness because of the transfer of righteousness, Christ was condemned because of God’s
transfer of the guilt of sin. The parallel is between becoming guilty and becoming justified. When guilt was transferred to Christ, He was then guilty. When Christ’s death is transferred to the elect, then the elect BECOME the righteousness of God in Christ.

Hearing God’s Verdict, Passed from Guilty to Justified before God, by Tianqi Wu

December 13, 2020

The Christian’s confidence before God is not in how much they’ve done for Jesus or learned about Jesus, but in a verdict of “no condemnation” bearing the authority of the Great King that they’ve heard by faith.

This present verdict of “no condemnation” (on the believing sinner) REPORTS a past accomplished death (of a penal substitute) as the judicial ground for the verdict. Unless the verdict declares that the just retribution due to the sinners on its “pardon list” has been satisfied (in the execution of their full sentence on the substitute), a word of “unconditional pardon” from the King would be at best “paradoxically held in tension” with the many equally unconditional words of condemnation from the same King, and a fearful expectation of the wrath to come would remain, as there is no effectual propitiation that could purify the guilty conscience.

A “good news” without a revelation of the righteousness of God is powerless to save those believing it, because the Good News of God’s grace is a promise of eternal life to the believer based on the imputation of a righteousness revealed in it. If the message does not reveal a real righteousness, it can’t be the Good News, since it presents nothing to be imputed to its believers that grants them life.

Romans 3:16-17 The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone believing, because IN IT the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith.

Romans 4:5 To the one not working, but believing on Him justifying the ungodly,. the object of their faith is counted unto righteousness.”
But the REPORT of a finished righteousness is not the entirety of the VERDICT. A
fter learning the reasons of God’s justice in the justification of the elect sinner, there still remains the concern: on whom does God pass the verdict, “your sins are forgiven on account of these things reported”?

This concern is addressed by the Good News in the simplest yet most powerful way. The Good News IS the verdict passed by God on the ones believing in it, because the doctrine of “Justification by Faith” means that the Good News of Christ carries the same LEGAL authority to release sinners from condemnation as Christ’s own voice on earth.

Matthew 9:6 the Son of Man has authority on earth to remit sins

John 5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son. Truly, truly, I say to you, The one who hears my word, and believes the One who has sent Me, has everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

If the MESSAGE of the cross is not recognized as God’s verdict passed on the believer, then we would have to find the verdict of God ELSEWHERE (e.g. introspection, comparison of works with other people, clergy’s words or “sacraments”.)

The “eternal justification”  error is that the verdict was passed “at the cross” and is “in God’s mind from eternity” and the “good news” is simply a revelation of this verdict from the past (or eternity). This alternative “good news” also says “Justification by Faith”, but only in the sense that that past justification is revealed to the believer in this “good news”, informing that believers had already always been released in that past justification, which gives peace to his conscience.

How is this not a different “good news”? The reason some people consider this a “secondary matter” is that they do not view the Good News as the VERDICT that reports the judicial ground of the verdict, but only as the REPORT of the judicial ground of the verdict. But the fact remains that this alternative “good news” is a counterfeit verdict, and thus a different “good news”.

John 5: 24 Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has lasting life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life

Our Glorification, God’s Future Gift, not a Result of Our Capitalist Violence

September 10, 2020

I Peter 1: 5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is READY TO BE REVEALED AT THE LAST TIME. 6 You rejoice in this, though now for a SHORT TIME you have had to struggle in various trials 7 in order that the genuineness of your faith will result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8 You love Him, though you have not seen Him. And though not seeing Him now, YOU BELIEVE IN HIM and rejoice with inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 because you are receiving salvation, the goal of your faith

Tianqi Wu –False theology in “non-political matters” results in the endorsement of a status quo social order antithetical to the kingdom ethics of Jesus.

Matthew 6: “Don’t collect for yourselves treasures… For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also…..24 No one can be a slave of two masters, since either they will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot be slaves of God and of money.

Matthew 7: Beware of the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inside they are plundering wolves.

I Cor 15:25 Jesus must reign until He has put all things in subjection to Him

I am told that we should only talk about “future things”, and not about the secular here and now. But we live in the time that remains before Christ’s second coming . The difference between Imminent and Immanent is important. Imminent is soon, but immanent is here now in this world

Is God already living with us in history? Is God still in history? Are you still in history? Will Apocalypse make history go away? Does Emergency make history better? Is this Age an Exception?

The “sovereign power” of corporations and the nation-states that support outlaw powers do not now subject themselves either to God’s law or to human laws. The state of exception has become normal. It’s not only the humans in Guantanamo Bay who are living in a Concentration Camp occupied by slave masters.

Genesis 3:  4 “No! You will not die,” the serpent said

Luke 4:  5 Satan  showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world — “I will give
You their splendor and all this authority, because it has been given
over to me, and I can give it to anyone I want. 7 If You will worship
me,all these will be Yours.”
8 And Jesus answered Satan, “It is written:
Worship the Lord your God and serve God  only.”

Colossians 2: 15 God who raised Christ from the dead  disarmed the
rulers and authorities and disgraced them publicly.  God triumphed
over the powers by Christ.

We humans were born in God’s image but we humans were born different from God (who was not born) . We humans are born sinners, unlike God (also unlike Adam the human). The life of Jesus explains the difference between God and humans. The life of Jesus explains the difference between God and sinners. Humans born in the image of God sin against both God’s law and God’s gospel. Our sins dishonor God

Romans 1: 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie….and God handed them over to a worthless mind to do what is MORALLY WRONG . 29 They are filled with all unrighteousness, evil, greed, and wickedness. They are full of envy, murder, quarrels, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, arrogant, proud, boastful, inventors of evil …They even applaud others who practice these sins

God is not the created world. The universe is not divine. The created world is not God. The created world depends completely on God. The created world is not nothing, but the created world will never be “on its own”.

God is not a thing . God is not an idol we create . God is not our idea. Our idea of God is not God. God’s created world is an object. The created world belongs to God.

Our creation in this world is God’s gift. This created world is God’s gift.
Christ’s incarnation was a gift. Christ’s resurrection was a gift . Christ’s incarnation was not a payment for sin. Christ’s resurrection was not a payment for sin

Romans 11: 29 God’s gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable.

Romans 11: 35 Who has ever first given to God
and needs to be repaid?
Who has given to God, so that now God pays them back?

Luke 14: 12 Jesus “When you give a dinner don’t invite your friends or your rich neighbors, because they could invite you back, and you would be repaid. 13 On the contrary, when you give a dinner, invite those who are poor and you will be blessed, because the poor cannot repay you.

I Corinthians 4: 7 What makes you morally superior to the poor? What do you have that you did not receive? Why do you boast as if you had earned everything you have received ?

Capitalists reject the idea of unselfish love. Capitalist zero sum logic assumes that not even God loves unselfishly. Capitalists worship a QUID PRO QUO God who says ” I will love you only if you do a favor for me”.

Some of these “Christians” say that they owe Jesus for dying for them, but these “Christians” also think that Jesus will owe them if they accept that Jesus died for them. “I get as much from Jesus as Jesus gets from me accepting Jesus.”

Self-righteous folks with a “taste for work” attempt to make a distinction between “justification by works” and their own “work ethic” which condemns the poor for their poverty. The capitalist WANTS TO GET PAID.

“I get as much out of giving as those who I give to do….”

2 Corinthians 8: 9 You know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ: Though He was rich, for your sake He became poor, in order that by His poverty you would become rich
13 It is not that there be relief for others and hardship for you, but
it is a question of EQUALITY— 14 at the present time your surplus is available for their need, in order that their abundance also become available for need, in order that there be equality.

Philippians 3: 3 We boast in Christ Jesus, and do not put confidence
in the flesh—
I HAVE considered what I used to think was gain to me to now be lost
because of Christ. 8 I continue to consider everything to be a loss
in view of the surpassing value of KNOWING Christ Jesus my Lord. I
consider John Macarthur’s big congregation as garbage,

In order to gain Christ 10 My GOAL is to know Christ and the power of His resurrection. My GOAL is to know the fellowship of Christ’s sufferings, being conformed to His death,

Our glorification when Jesus comes again to earth will be God’s gift.

Jeremiah 9: 24 but let them who boast boast in this, that they
understand and knows me, that I am the Lord who practices steadfast
love, justice, and righteousness ON EARTH. For in these things I
delight, declares the Lord.”

Romans 8:23 I consider that the sufferings of this present time are
not worth comparing with the glory that is GOING TO BE revealed to
us…..we ourselves who have the Holy Spirit as the first-fruits—we
groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for ADOPTION, the redemption
of our bodies.

2 Corinthians 11: 21 I dare to boast 22 Are they Jews? So am I.
Are they Israelites? So am I.
Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I.
23 Are they servants of Christ?
I’m talking like an insane person
with far more labors,
many more imprisonments,
far worse beatings, near death many times.
24 Five times I received 39 lashes from Jews.
25 Three times I was beaten with rods by the Romans.
Once I was stoned by my enemies.
Three times I was shipwrecked.
I have spent a night and a day
in the open sea.
26 On frequent journeys, I faced
dangers from rivers,
dangers from robbers,
dangers from my own people,
dangers from the Gentiles,
dangers in the city,
angers in the open country,
dangers on the sea,
and dangers among false brothers;
27 labor and hardship,
many sleepless nights, hunger and thirst,
often without food, cold, and lacking clothing.

I John 2: 28 So now, little children, remain in Him, so that when He
appears we will have boldness and not be ashamed before Him at His
coming.

Philippians 3: 20 our citizenship is in heaven, FROM WHICH we also
eagerly WAIT FOR a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. 21 He will transform
the body of our humble condition into the likeness of His glorious
body.

We are not “Flying Away”, We Meet Jesus and Come back with Him to Earth

August 15, 2020

John 17—Jesus spoke these things, looked UP TO HEAVEN and said:
Father, the hour has come.
Glorify Your Son
in order that the Son glorify You,
2 for You gave the Son authority over all flesh
in order that the Son give lasting life
to all You have given Him.
3 This is lasting life:
that they know You, the only true God,
and the One You have sent—Jesus Christ.
4 I have glorified You on the earth
by completing the work You gave Me to do.

It is a very bad over-reaction against those who say that Christ was made corrupt to deny redemptive history and to falsely claim that Christ was never MADE anything.
It would be wrong to deny that God the Son BECAME incarnate, both God and Human. It would also be wrong to deny that God the Son was first imputed with the guilt of the elect, and then that LATER IN HISTORY God the Son was raised from His death (His death because of that imputed guilt).
Because all the elect will be justified, Christ was raised from the dead.

Because Christ’s death paid for all sins imputed to Him, those sins are no longer imputed to Christ, and so it was that Christ was raised from the dead. This is history. This is news.

2 Cor 5:19 In Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them…God MADE the One who did not know sin to MADE sin for us, in order that we be MADE the righteousness of God in Him.
Romans 6: 9-10 Christ, having been raised from the dead, will not die again. Death NO LONGER rules over Christ 10 Christ DIED TO SIN once for all time.

John 17: 5 Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence
with that glory I had with You
before the world existed.

The Roman army would be gone for a campaign of two or three years. Finally, the army would return, leading captives in chains. They would camp outside the city and send in a messenger to alert the Senate and the people that the army had returned. When everything was ready, a trumpet was sounded. When Jesus comes back to earth, the justified elect, both dead and alive, will be caught up in the air to meet Him, not to stay up there, but to join His return in triumph.

There is a popular song called “I’ll Fly Away”. It not only has no gospel but also much falsehood. (Some glad morning when this life is o’er,
I’ll fly away To a home on God’s celestial shore, when I die, hallelujah, by and by, I’ll fly away, oh glory, I’ll fly away).

“I’ll Fly Away” is a song sung by slaves chained together in the daily torture of being worked unto death, imprisoned by “Christian church members” who believed in states’ rights and “the spirituality of the church”. (no protests, except when we the church ourselves disobey the local authorities)

Hebrews 9:22 Christ, having been offered once TO BEAR THE SINS of many, will APPEAR a second time (NOT to bear sin at a future time) but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 We who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep”.

John 6: 40 Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have lasting life, and I will raise them up AT THE LAST DAY

Ephesians 2: 5 –Made us alive with Christ
Even though we were born by nature children of corruption, that is not what the Ephesians 2 text is teaching. Even the elect were born corrupt because even the elect were born UNDER WRATH.

We were not only dead in our nature or “spiritual state”. We were
dead in our guilt before God, not only before our conscience, but
under God’s wrath, not only in our “spiritual experience”

Christ was NEVER spiritually dead, and the Holy Spirit NEVER quickened Christ’s spiritual nature. Our Surety was under guilt imputed, and Christ being “quickened” means Christ being made alive from the dead, no longer condemned for our sins. Therefore, OUR being quickened WITH Christ means that the “making alive” in view in Ephesians 2 is a change from one legal state to another legal state.

There is a difference between election and justification.
There is a difference between effectual calling and justification.
There is a difference between putting on immortality and receiving the lasting life of the age to come.

John 5: 24 Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has lasting life and WILL NOT COME UNDER JUDGMENT.
Those who have passed from death to justification (lasting life of the age to come) will not put on immortality until Jesus comes again.

John 5: 25 “I assure you: An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live

Even though there is a difference between justification and effectual calling, every person who is justified before God has also been regenerated by God’s gospel. Those who do not yet hear God’s voice in the gospel are still in condemnation before God.

Even though Christ’s second coming has always been in God’s purpose, that resurrection day has not happened yet.

John 5: 28 Do not be amazed at this, because a time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come out


John 17: 6 I have revealed Your name
to those You gave Me from the world.
They were Yours, You gave them to Me,
and they have kept Your word.
7 Now they know that all things
You have given to Me are from You,
8 because the words that You gave Me,
I have given those words
They have received those words
and have known for certain
that I came from You.

Mark 16: 6 “Don’t be alarmed,” a young man dressed in a white robe
told them. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified.
He has been resurrected!He is not here! See the place where they put
Him Now He is going ahead of you to Galilee.

John 11: 25 Jesus said “I am the resurrection and the life.”
I John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have HEARD, which we have SEEN with our eyes, which we LOOKED upon and have TOUCHED with our hands, concerning the word of life— 2 the life was made visible and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the lasting life, which was with the Father

2 John 1:7 Many deceivers have gone out into the world; they do not
confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh

John 1:14 The Word BECAME flesh and took up residence among us. We SAW His glory, the glory as the Only Begotten Son from the Father,

Romans 8:3 God condemned sin in the flesh by sending His own Son IN
FLESH like ours under the guilt of sins imputed

I Timothy 3:16 God was visible in the flesh. God was justified in the Spirit. God was seen by angels. God was proclaimed among the nations. God was BELIEVED ON in the world. God was taken up in glory

Hebrews 10:20 God has opened for us a new and living way through the
curtain (that is, His flesh)


Job 34: 14 If God withdrew the spirit and breath God gave, every living thing would PERISH together and mankind would return to the dust.

Our hope is NOT always having “an immortal soul” . Our hope is Christ’s death, Christ’s resurrection and our future resurrection at Christ’s second coming.
Neither John 17 or any other Scripture teaches that we go to heaven to be with Jesus by dying. We will only meet Jesus by being raised from the dead when Jesus comes back to earth.

I Corinthians 16: 21 This greeting is in my own handPaul. 22 If anyone does not love the Lord, a curse be on him.  Come Lord Jesus, Come.

“Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have lasting
life, and I will raise them up at the last day” (John 6:40)

In His Flesh, Christ Died under Law (for the Elect Alone)

July 1, 2020

God’s elect were once far away, not only in our own conscience and mind, but also before God’s justice.

Romans 6: 9-10 Christ, having been raised from the dead, will not die again. Death no longer rules over Christ 10 For in light of the fact that Christ died, Christ died to sin once for all time and now Christ lives.


It is a very bad over-reaction against those who say that Christ was made corrupt to deny redemptive history and to falsely claim that Christ was never made anything.

It would be wrong to deny that God the Son BECAME incarnate, both God and Human. It would also be wrong to deny that God the Son was imputed with the guilt of the elect, and then that God the Son was raised from His death (His death because of that imputed guilt)

2 Corinthians 21 He MADE the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, in order that we BECOME the righteousness of God in Him.

I Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be MADE alive.

I Corinthians 15 is not describing all sinners. I am not denying that all humans are imputed with Adam’s guilt. But I Corinthians 15 (and Romans 5-6) are about “us all” who were elect in Christ.

in Adam all
in Christ all

I am making two points.
Point one– These texts are not describing the non-elect. The non-elect are born in Adam and they will stay in Adam. The non-elect will be condemned and perish when Christ returns to earth. (the second death)

Point two—all the elect are born guilty and condemned in Adam. All the elect need to be “legally buried with Christ” before God. Not only do all the elect NEED to become dead with Christ, but God’s plan (Ephesians 1 is that all the elect WILL BE made alive by means of Christ’s death.

Romans 6:7 is not describing a new birth but a “being justified from sins”, when each elect sinner receives by God’s imputation the legal value of Christ’s death. (They receive legally the righteousness. Romans 5:11,17) )

If you think that “time gaps” result in “fake justice”, why do you even think that you ever need Christ’s death ever imputed to you? Are you not justified as soon as your sins are imputed to Christ? Once your sins are imputed to Christ, they are His problem, whether He ever dies to pay for them or not. Why must the payment be imputed to you, as long as your sins are not imputed to you?

Is guilt imputed before corruption a “legal fiction”?

Is saying an infant is born condemned in Adam “fake news”?

Is there any “reality” to Adam being the representative even of the
elect before their justification?

It would be wrong to claim that God the Son was ALWAYS incarnate, both God and Human, because in truth God the Son BECAME incarnate. It would also be wrong to claim that God the Son was never imputed with the guilt of the elect, as it would be wrong to claim that Christ’s death really changed nothing so that Christ continues to be imputed with the guilt of the elect. God the Son was raised from His death (Christ’s death was because of that imputed guilt).

2 Corinthians 21 He MADE the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, in order that we BECOME the righteousness of God in Him.

Luke 9: 29 As Jesus was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became dazzling white. 30 Suddenly, two men were talking with Him—Moses and Elijah. 31 They appeared in glory and were speaking of His DEATH which He was about to ACCOMPLISH in Jerusalem.—-time and place

The word “departure”, which could be translated as “exodus”, is a reference to Christ’s coming DEATH (his being “lifted up”) . NOW His then future death is FINISHED, ACCOMPLISHED

Jesus is NOW one person with two natures. Jesus is NOT two persons, and the vision of Jesus in Luke 9 is not only of “the divine person”. Nor does the gospel talk about something preachers call “infinity”.

Donald Mcleod— “Jesus was glorified NOT because Jesus was always God and NOT because Jesus was God incarnate BUT BECAUSE JESUS FINISHED THE WORK (John 17)



Ephesians 2: 10 For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for
good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them. 11 So then, remember that at one time you were Gentiles in the flesh—called “the uncircumcised” by those called “the circumcised,” which is done IN THE FLESH by human hands. 12 AT THAT TIME you were without Christ , EXCLUDED from the citizenship of Israel, and foreigners to the covenantS of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus, you who were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He is our peace, who made both groups one and tore down the dividing wall of hostility IN HIS FLESH

Ephesians 2: 15 Christ made of no effect the Abrahamic law
consisting of commands and expressed in regulations, in order to
create in Himself one new man from the two, resulting in peace. 16
Christ did this in order to reconcile both to God in one body through the cross and put the hostility to death by His flesh. 17 When Christ came, He proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with the saints, and members of God’s household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21 The whole building, being put together by Him, grows into a holy sanctuary in the Lord. 22 You also are being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit.

A W Pink–“Receiving the reconciliation is not our laying down our own rebellion against God. Rather, we receive by imputation that which Christ’s sacrificial death has procured for us. “All things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ” (2 Corinthians 5:18). The “enmity” of Ephesians 2:16 cannot refer to that which existed between Jews and Gentiles, for that has been disposed of in verses 14, 15. “Enmity” is here personified (“slain”), as “sin” is in Romans 8:3. Thus, the verse means that all the sins of God’s elect met upon Christ, and Divine justice took satisfaction from Christ’s death.”

Redemptive history happens in Christ in history. Gnosticism and Docetism are great evils. The legal application of Christ’s redemption to the elect is by God’s imputation (and only then does the Holy Spirit give the new birth and faith in the gospel.

If you personally are elect in Christ (God’s purpose), then in time God will cause you personally to believe the gospel, and that believing will only happen after you have received by imputation the objective righteousness (something real, something that is something) of Christ’s death in his flesh by God’s imputation.

I Corinthians 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ, the first-fruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy to be abolished is death

I Corinthians 15: 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”. The last Adam BECAME a life-giving spirit.

Romans 9: “For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the PURPOSE of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calls.”

Galatians 3:16 He does not say “and to seeds,” as though referring to many, but referring to one, and to your seed, who is Christ. …..The law was put into effect through angels by means of a mediator. 20 And a mediator is not for just one person, but God is one. 21 Is the law therefore contrary to God’s promises? Absolutely not…. The Scripture has imprisoned everything under sin’s power, in order that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ be given to those who believe.


God’s promises to Abraham are not only one promise.
God’s promise to Abraham is not only a promise to Christ.
God’s promise to Abraham is not only a promise about one person.
God’s promise to Abraham results in a promise to “all who believe”.
God’s law to Abraham also promises negative sanctions (for
intermarriage or failure to be circumcised)

Genesis 15:13 Then the Lord said to Abram, “Know this for certain:
Your seed will be foreigners in a land that does not belong to them.
Your seed will be enslaved 400 years. 14 However, I will judge the
nation they serve, and afterward your seed will go out with many possessions….16 In the fourth generation your seed will return here

Psalm 110: this is the declaration of the Lord to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand UNTIL I MAKE Your enemies Your footstool.” 2 The Lord will extend Your mighty scepter from Zion. Rule over Your enemies.
3 Your people will willing on Your day
4 The Lord has sworn an oath and will not take it back:
“Forever, You are a priest like Melchizedek.”

I Samuel 7:11 ‘The Lord declares to you: The Lord Himself will make a house for you. 12 When YOUR TIME COMES and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up after you your descendant, who will come from your body, and I will establish His kingdom.

Hebrews 7 For this Melchizedek remains a priest forever.
Abraham gave him a tenth of everything.
First, his name means king of righteousness,
Then also, king of Salem, meaning king of peace;
3 without father, mother, or genealogy,
having neither beginning of days nor end of life,
but resembling the Son of God—

Hebrews 7:26 For this is the kind of high priest we need— holy, innocent, un-defiled, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27 Jesus does not need to offer sacrifices every day, as high priests do—first for their own sins, then for those of the people. Jesus ACTED ONCE FOR ALL TIME when He offered Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak, but the promise of THE OATH THAT COMES AFTER THE LAW appoints a Son, who has been permanently perfected.

The oath to David came after God gave law to Moses. This oath from God to David was not made before creation. God’s oath was “cut into history” quite a long time after God had ‘cut into history” covenants with Noah and with Abraham and with Moses.


I Samuel 7:18 Then King David went in, sat in the Lord’s presence, and said, Who am I, Lord God, and what is my house that You have brought me this far? 19 What YOU HAVE DONE was a little thing to You, Lord God, for You have also spoken about Your servant’s house in THE DISTANT FUTURE …. 25 Now, Lord God, fulfill the promise forever that You have made to Your servant and his house. DO AS YOU HAVE PROMISED as You have promised, 26 in order that Your name will be exalted

There is no need to deny the difference between promising and doing, in order to proclaim that God will do all that God has promised.

Psalm 2: 7 I will declare the Lord’s decree:
He said to Me, “You are My Son;
today I have BECOME Your Father.
8 Ask of Me,
and I will make the nations Your inheritance
and the ends of the earth Your possession.

Worship the Son or the Son will be angry
and you will PERISH in your rebellion,
because the wrath of the Son is revealed in time
All (and only) those who take refuge in Him are blessed

The Lord Has Told You What is Good—Not This For That

June 17, 2020

Micah 6:8 The Lord has told you what is good
and what it is the Lord requires of you:
to act justly,
to love faithfulness,
and to walk humbly with your God.

I Peter 3: 10 The one who wants to love life
and to see good days
must keep their tongues from speaking lies
11 The one who wants to love life must turn away from evil
must do what is good. and must seek peace and pursue peace.

2 Peter 3: 14 Therefore, friends, while you wait for these things, make EVERY EFFORT to be FOUND AT PEACE with HIM without spot or blemish.

Not this for that
rather
in antithesis to “this for that”
not having this in order to be having that

Philippians 3: 8 Because of Christ I have suffered the LOSS OF THINGS and impute those things to be waste, in order that I gain Christ 9 and be FOUND in Him, NOT HAVING a righteousness from my own obeying the law, but HAVING A RIGHTEOUSNESS that is THROUGH FAITH IN Christ….10 My goal is to know Christ and the power of Christ’s resurrection and the fellowship of Christ’s sufferings, being conformed to Christ’s death, 11 in hope that I will somehow reach the RESURRECTION FROM AMONG THE DEAD. 12 Not that I have already reached the goal or am already fully mature, but I make EVERY EFFORT to take hold of the goal because I also HAVE BEEN taken hold of by Christ Jesus.

Philippians 4: 3 Help my coworkers (whose names are in the book of life). 4 Rejoice in the Lord always. 5 Let your graciousness be known to everyone. The Lord is near. 6 Don’t worry about anything, but in everything, through prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God. 7 The peace of God will guard your minds in Christ Jesus.

John 14:27 “Peace I leave with you. I do not give peace to you as
the world gives peace. . Your heart must not be troubled or fearful.

Romans 15: 13 The God of hope fills you with all joy and peace as you believe in Him in order that you overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 5:22 The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience,
kindness, goodness, faith

James 3: 16 Where envy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every kind of evil. 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peace-loving and gentle… The fruit of
righteousness is sown in peace by those who cultivate peace.

1 Corinthians 15:15- – We would be found to be false witnesses about God, because we have testified about God that God raised up Christ—whom God did not raise up if in fact the dead are not raised.

2 Corinthians 5:2 we groan in this body, desiring to put on our
dwelling FROM heaven 3 And when we are clothed,we will not be FOUND naked. 4 we do not want to be unclothed but clothed, in order for mortality to be swallowed up by immortality

Revelation 20 :11 Then I saw a great white throne and One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was FOUND for them. 12 I also saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. ANOTHER BOOK was opened, which is the book of life… 14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death… anyone NOT FOUND written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire

The wages of sin is DEATH, but the free gift of God is lasting life in Christ Jesus , by Giovanni Camacho

April 12, 2020

Romans 9:17 to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, in order that I show my power in you, and that my name be proclaimed in all the earth.””

Isaiah 10: 15 “Shall the ax boast over him who hews with it, or the saw magnify itself against him who wields it? As if a rod should wield him who lifts it, or as if a staff should lift him who is not wood!”

We are told by many preachers that the non-elect will be conscious forever and that God will torture them forever. To quote one of these preachers: ” the immortality only for the elect scheme is contrary to the gospel, contrary to the truth, and contrary to God’s Everlasting righteousness.”

Romans 6: 23 The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is lasting life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This traditional position redefines death for sin (an objective legal standard which requires cessation of life function/cessation of consciousnesses as a wage delivered by God), into a subjective experience of pain for the sinner.

In other words, rather than being destroyed by He who can destroy both body and soul (objective standard/demand of the law), the majority tradition teaches that the non-elect sinner is instead necessarily preserved by God in full consciousness to be tortured subjectively with the impossibility of ever actually satisfying God’s righteous demand.

This tradition defines justice as not about what God requires [and will get] to satisfy His standard, but rather to what the sinner perceives, feels, and is unable to provide. In order to experience pain, one must be alive. Indeed, so much of the comfort expressed between human beings when it comes to death is the cessation of suffering. Many will comfort each other with the sentiment that at least the dead person is not suffering any longer.

Some would ascribe this belief to the false assumption that their loved one is now a ghostly “soul” carrying around a harp and a halo, though many others would conclude that their loved one has ceased to be in pain because of cessation of consciousness.

But what the sinner subjectively feels, even if caused by God, can never itself be justice, because justice is about satisfaction of God’s law which is an objective standard outside of the sinner. The demand of God’s law is what matters when it comes to measuring what is just, not the subjective experience of the sinner. To the extent that God’s law requires something, it is that something which must happen in history to satisfy the law.

IF death is DEFINED as the cessation of life and consciousness, them merely causing pain is insufficient to satisfy the requirement of divine law for death.

Ecclesiastes 3: 19 “For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. All are from the dust, and to dust all return.”

I was holding my dog when my dog breathed his last breath approximately one year ago. He was in my lap with a blanket underneath him as the vet pumped in the medication to overwhelm his system and kill him. It was an odd feeling to watch and feel the life literally leave him. He immediately began to lose that warmth of life that we all know and love from embracing others who have life. What I was left with was him, only dead. That was Frank in my hands, but he was dead. He could not feel me holding him. He could not hear me crying over him. He could not respond to me because he was dead.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 “Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.”
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The daughter of a close friend of mine died last year due to a genetic disease. We went to her open casket viewing, and there she was. Right there, except that she was not alive as I had seen her so many times before that. Her eyes and mouth had been glued shut, and she had makeup applied to make her presentable to the rest of us who likely would have been utterly horrified to see her prior to being “prepared for viewing.”

Death is something that many (at least seem to) embrace because of the belief that their true [and righteous] self is trapped inside, but my experiences with death have been horrifying and unforgettable.

No matter what one’s private reservations may be about “where” the deceased may be, the cold truth is that their death means that they inaccessible to those who are alive. “They have no knowledge of anything in the grave.”

Lots of mental gymnastics are exercised upon redefining “death” into “separation from God,” which is further described as sustained torture in various degrees, either in the presence of Christ and his angels or not. This is often premised upon the explicit claim or implicit assumption that man has a component to his being and composition which is inherently immortal and incapable of being killed.

This claim is further defended on claiming that because humans are
created “in the image of God” and that they are therefore have immortality as an inherent quality . In turn, this leads to the bizarre belief that human flesh is essentially a husk for a true being/essence, which is traditionally
seen as a “consciousness” awaiting “true reality” upon death of the
husk – a strange metamorphosis into a future experience, sometimes called
“eternity,” either pleasant or unpleasant. Many have been willing to
sacrifice their own flesh on the premise that such flesh is
essentially valueless because their “true home” is somewhere invisible
and inaccessible while trapped inside their body. Some haven’t
considered what the preacher in Ecclesiastes is saying in regards to
the value of life.

Even more mental gymnastics are spent on redefining the meaning of the
term “destruction” to reconcile it with keeping the non- elect alive forever because they have not been tortured enough yet. Because infinite torture demands that the non-elect sinner be sustained by God, “destruction” is preached as “separation.” This hardly makes contextual sense, much less logical sense. How is one who is sustained and tortured by God “separated”
from God? To the contrary, under the infinite torture model, it would
seem that those who have been “separated” have very much fallen into
the hands of an involved in time and place tormentor.

At times, arguing for the “dignity” or “free-will” of those being tortured is related to believing that humans are equal to God, or at least on some kind of chain of being. Living and suffering in “hell” is often presented in a manner in which God is functionally the jilted lover who will continue to execute His revenge on the wayward partner who wouldn’t play along.

This position is defended on several different grounds, most or all of
which focus on “infinite” characteristics of God. I’ve heard it said
that sin is in defiance of God’s infinite holiness/dignity, therefore
requiring infinite torture throughout “eternity.”

This is a non-sequitur for several reasons – God’s motivation for
justice is not tied to being offended by unrequited “love” or in the way a spouse might be offended at infidelity. Indeed, Romans 9 teaches that
both election and non-election occurred “apart from works” and that God’s
will involves the punishment of those who cannot resist His will. Paul
describes vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. God has already determined to display wrath apart from works. God is not a mob boss asking for loyalty or compliments.

Further, that God appointed Christ as a high priest means that God intended to decree sin (no need for a mediator where there is no sin) SO THAT He could judge the world. To that end, God uses humans as God’s instruments. Humans do not use God as their “tool”.

Acts 2: 23 “this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and
foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless
men.”
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It is not for us to determine that God’s dignity demands that God engage
in the form of sustained torture as a historical result of acrimony justified by past betrayals. Human sin is one of the means by which God accomplishes God’s Holy purpose.

To what purpose would God forever torture those for whom God did not provide propitiation. I’ve argued that punishment for sin is not premised upon God’s passions, and that justice is about satisfaction of the law and not the subjective experience of the sinner. If punishment for sin was torture that never ends, there would be no logical demand for an intermittent death or judgment prior to the beginning of the torture. Indeed, there would be no basis for any person to die at all, but theoretically could remain sustained by God in the flesh and be
“providentially” tormented.

Jesus challenged his disciples in John 21 regarding John being kept alive until Christ’s return. If never-ending torment is the meaning of “death” and “destruction,” arguably no one would ever die, because they would need to be kept alive to endure the punishment.

Torture forever but never dead is based upon the non-scriptural belief that all humans have a component of their composition that cannot be killed, even by God. At bottom, torture never finished functionally denies that God will ever have justice over those who perish because God will be forever extracting what is due from beings which cannot die and therefore cannot give the law what it requires-their death. I think this claim to be as corrupt as claiming that sinners for whom Christ died will perish.

Hebrews 9: 25 Christ did not offer Himself to death many times, as the high priest enters the sanctuary yearly with the blood of another. 26 Otherwise, Christ would have had to die many times since the foundation of the world. But now Christ has appeared one time, at the end of the ages, for the removal of sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for people to die once—and after this, judgment— 28 so also Christ , having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.

Who Gets to Decide if the Bible Says This is a Gospel Issue?

February 5, 2019

Zechariah 7:11 But they refused to pay attention, turned a stubborn shoulder and closed their EARS so they could not hear.

Luke 2: 22 And when the days of purification according to the law of Moses were finished, they brought the baby Jesus up to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord 23 (just as it is written in the law of the Lord: Every firstborn male will be dedicated to the Lord 24 and to offer a sacrifice (according to what is stated in the law of the Lord: a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons)

Was the death of Jesus only the part that takes away sins, but this presentation in the temple part of the righteousness that is the “active obedience” which obtains the positive blessngs of salvation?

Luke 2 25 There was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon who was righteous, looking forward to Israel’s consolation, and the Holy Spirit was on Simeon 26 It had been revealed to Simeon by the Holy Spirit that Simeon would not see death before he saw the Messiah.

But isn’t it always better to die, and not delay death, so we can go straight to heaven to see God?

Communication is difficult. Sometimes people listen to us and even understand what we are saying, but then “translate” what we say into something they believe. They erase the difference between what they think and what we think, in the interests of what they call peace and unity. When we notice the difference, we see that what we said has been cancelled—-their “translating” is them turning what everybody says into something they say. We are the dummies—they are speaking through us.

Sometimes it’s mutual. We translate the other incorrectly because we misunderstand each other.   The prison warden tells Paul Newman–in the movie Cool Hand Luke—-“we have here a failure to communicate”. Yes, they don’t “get it”.

The reason they don’t receive it is because God has not yet revealed it to them. Or to say “it” differently, we don’t understand and don’t receive it because God has not yet revealed it to us. God is going to have to teach it to us if we get taught. God is going to use somebody to teach them what they don’t know and understand yet, but perhaps it will not be us who God is going to use to teach it to them.

When “they” cut off discussion, and start making accusations, we become defensive. It doesn’t help the truth for us to be told “well, you are being defensive”.   It does not  really prove anything one way or the other  who is identified as the ones who shut down the conversation . It’s possible that even the truth needs discussion.

I deny that the truths of the gospel are only emotionally therapeutic.  The gospel is not merely the “assurance” we feel  after hearing a preacher sermon which does not bring up questions or “explanations” but  REPEATS the same thing we already KNOW FOR SURE.   I certainly reject the “magical group-think” that only confesses  to  “private” problems , but  which ultimately always tells us that our sins are not that big of a deal.   The context say that OUR main problem right now is THEM (the socialists and the media) and the people asking questions about why “lasting death” is not really death.

To say that something is (or is not) part of the gospel begs the question—WHAT IS THE GOSPEL. I myself already had my  view on immortality as the gift of God BEFORE I learned the gospel. We can be very correct about election and still very wrong on the gospel. Before I learned that Christ’s righteousness is Christ’s death as that which justifies God and sinners, I did not yet know the gospel because I did not yet know the Bible doctrine of justification. But I think I was already correct about God’s permanent punishment for the condemned This is why I don’t worry about others separating themselves from me. It makes sense to avoid me if that allows you to keep thinking and talking about the gospel. Surely none of us should intentionally misrepresent the views of others. And we should attempt to be careful enough not to unintentionally “mistranslate” what others are saying. But at the end of the day, we all need to be taught the gospel by God.

Denying the traditional view of sinners sinning forever and
being tortured forever
that just feels wrong to me.
Therefore it is wrong.

You see, there are different aspects and senses to justification
in a sense, the wall has been built
but in another sense, the wall needs to be built.

You see, “in a sense”, the elect were never condemned and God never saw their sins.  “In a sense”, Christ also was never under the wrath of God, since God the Father always loved God the Son.   So, “in a sense”, the elect never had any sins and no sins were ever imputed to Christ.

That “in a sense” is a false gospel.  The Bible teaches that Christ became legally guilty. Romans 6910 Christ, having been raised from the dead, will not die again. Death no longer rules over Christ 10 For in light of the fact that Christ died, Christ died to sin once for all time.

Adam not only had a predisposition to sin.
Adam became GUILTY the very day Adam sinned
“in the day you sin you die”
Ephesians 2:3 –the ruler who exercises authority over the earth is
the spirit now working in the disobedient.
Satan rules not only with corruption, but accuses with guilt
Ephesians 2: 5 God made us alive with Christ even though we WERE dead
in guilt…. 6 Together with Christ Jesus God raised us up
Christ was never dead in corruption, and Christ was never raised up
from corruption.
Christ was not made alive from “the desires of the flesh” but from guilt
When the guilty are justified, they are imputed with Christ’s death,
which is death because of corruption not because of guilt.
Christ’s inside never needed saving.

An “in a sense” preacher: Whatever “gospel” you believed when you were “saved” is the gospel you believe saves.
Mark McCulley asks—-What if you believe that the elect were always
saved and never needed to be saved? If you believe now that the elect
were always justified, what does it matter what gospel you think you
believed? If you were already justified before you believed (whatever
gospel), then your gospel is not the power of salvation? (Also
you are being deceptive when you use the word “saved”. )

Tianqi Wu–The “delay” of imputation of Christ’s death as  satisfaction of Law does not indicate any insufficiency in that satisfaction. Nor does the
delay mean that God reserves the right not to impute Christ’s death to
those for whom Christ died (or adds some conditions to its
imputation). The delay shows the significance of the Gift of Christ’s
one act of righteousness. The delay shows the greatness of Christ’s
death for the sins of the elect under the law. The delay locks the
elect under the Law of sin and death from the time they are born until
when they are justified.

I Timothy 1: 16 I received mercy for this reason, in order that Christ
Jesus would demonstrate His extraordinary patience as an example to
those also who would believe in Him for lasting life.

If the wall is in the purpose of God, in one sense the wall has been built
but in another sense, the money has not yet been appropriated.
The wall was not built yet.

You can go either way with eternal justification
because there are two justifications
one before God, and in that sense you were never justified but already always justified.
But  “in another sense” justification number two is not before God but before your conscience, and in that sense you  trump-talk.

We could answer with a question, but is it a gospel issue?
But do we have a pope to answer the question?

Never justified, always justified  is not a gospel issue
because there are different senses to justification?
But progressive sanctification is a gospel issue?
Shall we take a vote on the gospel?

Are those who feel that the nature of permanent death is “no big gospel deal” calling God a liar?

Is Sonny H taking sides with “tradition”? Does Sonny H have more scruples than others? Is Sonny H less “benighted” than those who have written in detail about the various Bible texts in question?

Since Sonny H sees no difference between “unitarians” and “univeralists” and those who teach that God can and does destroy the non-elect who perish, does this mean that Sonny H cannot tell the difference between a person who still teaches  that Christ died for all without saving any) and those who don’t teach that (but still say that people are justified before and without the gospel)?

“In a sense”, they are professing that Christ died for everybody. But since I think they are regenerate, “in a sense”, when they profess that Christ died for everybody,  they are not really what they profess?

Sonny H–“Many of those who say very Arminian things don’t really believe those things and even though they don’t know yet know the truth, they are saved by the power of the gospel.—“If a professing Arminian is saved, it is despite their Arminianism. There are professing Arminians who are in the rudimentary stages of their faith that may be unlettered or ill advised about what they really know. However, if they are regenerate, they are not Arminian.”

What is the righteousness revealed in the gospel?
Is the righteousness revealed God’s sovereignty in regeneration alone or also by  the righteousness revealed in the gospel Christ’s death only for the sins of the elect?

Is the righteousness revealed in the gospel the infinite torture of Christ or is it Christ’s death?

Sonny Hernandez, High Calvinism, p 91—The problem of the new Calvinists lies especially in conduct…You cannot have Puritan soteriology without Puritan sanctification….p 45 The sure promise of God which God realizes IN US makes it impossible that we not bring forth fruits.

if you want to think about IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HEAD about the topic of immortality given and the permanent punishment of the non-elect

https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/is-hell-where-god-lets-some-sinners-to-live/

https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2014/12/03/immortality-for-the-elect-alone/

https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2019/01/02/do-you-have-two-different-blessed-hopes/

https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/permanent-redemption/

https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2014/07/08/there-is-only-one-good-death-and-all-other-deaths-are-our-enemy/

https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2017/12/11/if-spiritual-death-would-save-no-need-for-the-birth-of-the-baby-jesus/

https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/resurrection-for-the-elect-alone/

If God gives us faith, does that mean that the faith is perfect and that we are not those believing

February 1, 2017

Malcolm Smith–“God works his work in you, which is the work already accomplished by Christ.

John Crowder– “God didn’t save you so you could do good. God saved you so you could be dead and then God could work through you. God does not want to you try to work. God is only pleased with what Christ does, God does not help you. God does things for you”. (Mystical Union, 2010)

Richard x–“It wasn’t me, it was the grace of God that was with me and there is no me, at least there is no me which does anything acceptable to God.”

If soundbites like the three above make you think the grace of God is being exalted, then you need to begin to ask some more questions. It is not some present work which is our Propitiation, and there is no need to confuse our present working with God’s present working.

If God gives us faith, does that mean the faith must be perfect, and if the faith is perfect, does that mean that we are not those who are believing, and does that mean it is God in us believing for us?

If God gives us faith, does that mean that God gives us a new nature, and does that mean that the new nature is not us, and does that mean that we still can’t do anything acceptable or pleasing to God, because we are still the old nature and God is the new nature?

Hebrews 13: 15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God…

Romans 7:4 –You have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we now bear FRUIT FOR GOD.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.”

Hebrews 9:14–”How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”

The idea of the “exchanged life” is that we “let go and let God”. But we need to remember human agency. God’s sovereignty does not mean that God believes the gospel for us. God causes us to believe the gospel.

God’s sovereignty does not mean that God is doing what we do. God is not sinning when we sin, and God is not obeying when we obey. God causes us to obey. and that is different from saying that God obeys for us.

Hearing Christ preached is not the same thing as Christ Himself preaching.

The Bible does not command us to empty ourselves so that Christ will then do the believing and obeying in us and for us. The Holy Spirit does not replace us, nor does being in Christ and Christ being in us mean that Christ replaces us.

Even though Christ alone replaced us in the one and only Propitiation, Christ is not now replacing us, and we should never confuse what we do or don’t do with what Christ is doing or not doing.

The work of God in us is not the same as the death of the God-man mediator. In His unfinished work, Christ continues to intercede for us, but this intercession is not the same work as His death for us. In His unfinished work, Christ will come to raise us from the dead and to glorify us, but this future work is not the same as His completed death for us.

Philippians 2:13 describes us as willing and working, and it does not deny our agency by EQUATING our work either with Christ’s already accomplished death or with Christ’s present work in us by His Spirit.

Some antinomians deny that faith (in Gal 2:16, 3:22; Romans 3:22,26; Phil 3:9; Ephesians 3:12 ) is the human act of believing. But when I look at all the texts together, I see clearly that faith often means the human act of an individual elect person hearing, understanding, and believing the gospel.

Here’s the question. Is Christ the subject or object of faith? The view I oppose says we should read all these verses as saying, “Christ’s faith.” Faith is God’s gift to the elect, but Christ does not believe for us. Christ makes us both able and willing to believe the gospel so that we do believe the gospel. Christ indwelling in us does not believe for us,. When the elect become justified by God before God, these elect hear and understand and believe the gospel.

Even some who agree that the elect need to believe the gospel still insist that “faith” in these texts means “Christ’s faith”, either in the sense that Christ is the source of my faith, or in the sense of Christ Himself believing. But no other texts refer to the act of Christ believing, unless these debated texts do.

James 2:1 tells us, “show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory.” Christ is the object of faith, and our faith is in/toward Christ and not toward His act of believing.

Romans 3:3 refers to God’s faithfulness, not to God believing for us or believing in us. “Does their unfaithfulness nullify the faithfulness of God?

Romans 3:25,26. “God put forward Christ as a propitiation by his blood to show God’s righteousness, to be RECEIVED by faith.” The receiving in this text is the human act of believing. Yes, God is faithful to His law and therefore just, but God does not justify all sinners but only of those sinners who have faith in Christ and His propitiation. This language no more makes faith the condition of salvation than John 3:16 does.

God does not love everybody. God only loves the elect, and the elect are identified as those who believe the gospel. There is no reason not to talk about election in John 3 or Romans 3, but also there is no reason not to talk about “as many as” believe the gospel.

II Peter 1:1,“ To those who have obtained faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.”

Hebrews 13: 20 “Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant, 21 equip you with everything good so that YOU DO HIS WILL, working in us that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.”