Time Demands the Patience of the Saints, Christ’s Kingdom in This World

Revelation 13: 9 They will worship the beast, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
Revelation 13: 10 If anyone is destined for captivity,
into captivity they go.
If anyone is to be killed with a sword,
with a sword they will be killed.
This demands the patience and faith of the saints.

Romans 9: 22 What if God, desiring to display God’s wrath and to make God’s power known, endured with much patience objects of wrath ready for destruction? 23 And what if God did this to make known the riches of His glory on objects of mercy?


David Hart–Christ’s kingdom not of the world but nevertheless present in this world is a kind of a contrary and a secret history, with a radically different understanding of society and property (torture, war, death penalty) (Theological Territories, 328)


I Peter 3: 20 God PATIENTLY WAITED in the days of Noah while an ark
was being prepared. In the ark a few were saved through water.

God did not do everything at the same time God decided to do everything. Therefore WE ourselves are to wait with eager anticipation.

2 Peter 3: 4 Scoffers will say, “Where is the promise of the Lord’s coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they willfully forget that long ago the heavens and the earth were brought about from water and through water by the word of God. Through these waters the world of that time perished when it was flooded. By the same word, the present heavens and earth are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction.

The Lord does not delay the Lord’s promise,  but is patient with you, not wanting any of you to perish but all of you to come to repentance. 10 But the Day of the Lord will come….

11 Since ALL THESE things are to be destroyed in this way, it is clear what sort of people you should be in holy conduct and godliness 12 as you WAIT FOR and EARNESTLY DESIRE the coming of the day of the Lord.

13. Based on God’s promise, we wait for the new heavens and a new earth, where righteousness will dwell. 14 Therefore, dear friends, while you wait, make EVERY EFFORT to be found at peace with God without spot or blemish. 15  REGARD THE PATIENCE OF OUR LORD AS OPPORTUNITY FOR SALVATION ( just as our dear brother Paul has written to you according to the wisdom given to him. 16 Paul speaks about these things in all his letters in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist Paul’s letters to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.)

Philippians 3: 20 Our citizenship is from heaven. FROM HEAVEN we eagerly WAIT for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. 21 When He comes, Jesus will transform the body of our humble condition into the likeness of His glorious body, by the power that enables Him to subject everything to Himself.

Romans 8: 19 The creation eagerly waits with anticipation for God’s children to be revealed.

Romans 8: 23 We groan within ourselves, eagerly WAITING for adoption, the redemption of our bodies…..25 we hope for what we do not see. We eagerly WAIT with patience.

Hebrew 9: 28 Christ, having been offered once for all time to
bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sins,
but to bring salvation to those who are WAITING for Him.

Galatians 5: 4 You who are trying to be justified by your own law
keeping are alienated from Christ. you have fallen from grace. 5 For through the Holy Spirit, by faith, we eagerly WAIT for the hope of righteousness.

Christ’s death as satisfaction of law (not as cancellation of law, not as arbitrary adjustment of law) is our hope because Christ’s death is the righteousness which will give us the results for which we hope. Christ’s death removes sins imputed to Christ, and Christ’s death imputed by God to the elect causes them to believe the gospel through faith and God justifies them before God and declares them to be just.

“Waiting for the hope of righteousness” does not mean that we now hope one day to be counted righteous or to become justified. “Waiting for the hope of righteousness” means that we hope for future results (Christ’s second coming, our resurrection) because we are already now counted righteous.

On resurrection day, we won’t be hoping to be justified at some future judgment— our justification will already be visible in our future resurrection.

Hebrews 10: 34 For you accepted with joy the confiscation of your possessions, knowing that you yourselves have a better and enduring possession. 35 So do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36 Because you need endurance, so that after you have done God’s will, you receive what was promised.
37 For yet in a very little while, the Coming One will come and not delay.
38 My righteous one will live by faith.
I have no pleasure in those who draw back
39 We are not those who draw back and are destroyed, but those who have faith and obtain life.

Hebrews 11: 37 They were stoned, they were sawed in two, they died by the sword, they wandered about in ANIMAL SKINS, destitute, and mistreated. 38 The world was not worthy of them. They wandered without their own property in deserts and on mountains, hiding in holes in the ground. 39 All these were justified through their faith, but they did NOT receive what was promised, 40 because God had provided something better for US, so that THEY would not be made perfect without US.

I Corinthians 15: 23 But each in their own order. Christ the first fruits; afterward, at Christ’s coming, those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when Christ hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power. 25 For Christ must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy to be abolished is death.

I Corinthians 15: We will not all fall asleep,
but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye,
at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound,
and the dead will be raised incorruptible,
and we will be changed.
53 The corruptible must be clothed
with incorruptibility,
and the mortal must be clothed with immortality.
15: 58 THEREFORE be steadfast, stable, always glorying (boasting) in the Lord’s work, knowing that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

Hebrew 9: 28 so also Christ , having been offered once for all time to
bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sins,
but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 The Word was with God in the beginning.
3 All things were created through the Word,
and apart from the Word not one thing was created
that has been created

I John 1: 1 What was from the beginning,
what we have heard,
what we have seen with our eyes,
what we have touched with our hands,
the Word of life

James 5 Come now, you rich people! Weep over the miseries that are
coming on you. 2 Your wealth is ruined….

James 5: 7 Therefore, Christ’s disciples, be PATIENT until the Lord’s
coming. See how the farmer WAITS for the fruit of the EARTH and is
patient until the late rains. 8 You also must be PATIENT

Revelation 1: 1 Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from
the dead and the ruler of the magistrates loves us and has set us
free from our sins by His blood….
7 Look! He is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see Him….
This is certain. Amen.
8 “I am the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord God, “the One who
is, the One who was, the One who is coming.”

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  1. Mark Mcculley Says:

    Psalm 40 I waited patiently for the Lord,
    and the Lord turned to me and heard my cry for help.
    2 The Lord brought me up from a pit,
    out of the muddy clay,
    and set my feet on a rock,
    making my steps secure.
    3 The Lord put a new song in my mouth,
    a hymn of praise to our God.
    Many will see and fear
    and put their trust in the Lord.

    4 How happy is the man
    who has put his trust in the Lord
    and has not to those who run after lies!

    5 Lord my God, You have done many things—
    Your wonderful works and Your plans for us;
    none can compare with You.
    If I were to report and speak of them,
    they are more than can be told.

    11 Lord, do not withhold Your compassion from me;
    Your constant love and truth will always guard me.
    12 For troubles without number have surrounded me;
    my sins have overtaken me; I am unable to see.
    Troubles and sins are more than the hairs of my head,
    and my courage leaves me.
    13 Lord, be pleased to deliver me;
    hurry to help me, Lord.

    • markmcculley Says:

      “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.  Go, therefore, and make DISCIPLES of all nations…teaching them to DO EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU.”  

      George Eliot—The terror of being judged sharpens the memory: it sends an inevitable glare over that long not visited past which has been habitually recalled only in general phrases. Even without memory, the life is bound into one by a zone of dependence in growth and decay; but intense memory forces a man to own his blameworthy past. With memory set smarting like a reopened wound, a man’s past is not simply a dead history, an outworn preparation of the present. The past is not a repented error shaken loose from the life The past is a still quivering part of himself, bringing shudders and bitter flavors and the tinglings of a merited shame.

      For the growing good of the world is partly dependent on non-historic acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, who now rest in tombs not visited ― George Eliot, Middlemarch

      George Eliot: Like the writer of imaginary conversations, the preacher may put what imbecilities (stereotypes, caricatures) he pleases into the mouths of his antagonists, and swell with triumph when he has refuted them. He may riot in gratuitous assertions, confident that no man will contradict him; he may invent illustrative experience; he may give his
      own edition of history with the inconvenient facts omitted:–all this he may do with impunity, certain that those of his hearers who are not sympathizing are not listening.

      For the Press has no band of critics who go the round of the churches on the watch for a slip or defect in the preacher, to make a “feature”
      in their article: the clergy are, practically, the most irresponsible of all talkers. Many of his sermons are occupied with not very subtle
      political opinions about public events.

      https://bulletin-archive.hds.harvard.edu/articles/winter2008/enchantment-and-disenchantment-evangelical-tradition

      https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2009/3-april/books-arts/book-reviews/nine-who-found-themselves-on-dover-beach

  2. Mark Mcculley Says:

    Tianqi Wu–Speaking of “delay” – do you think God has to fully punish a sin as soon sin is committed? Why did God “wait” until the end of age to fully punish the non-elect?

    God is just to “delay” the punishment for the sins of non-elect. For
    the same reason, God is just to “delay” the imputation of Christ’s
    satisfactory punishment for the sins of the elect.

    The “delay” of punishment of non-elect does not indicate that their
    present guilt is insufficient for condemnation (or God is giving them
    an opportunity to be saved, or God has “common grace”), but rather God giving them a lifetime to add sin to sin.

    The “delay” of imputation of Christ’s satisfaction of Law does not
    indicate any insufficiency in that satisfaction (or God reserves the
    right not to impute it, or adds some conditions to its imputation),
    but to manifest the significance and magnitude of this Gift of
    righteousness and grace of its Giver all the more by first locking the
    elect under the Law of sin and death for a while.

    1 Timothy 1:16 I received mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ
    would show forth long-suffering, for an example to those being
    about to believe on Him to everlasting life.

    Romans 2: 5 But because of your hardness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath, when God’s
    righteous judgment is revealed.

    God addresses Pharaoh through Moses: “Let my people go.”Nevertheless, God has already told Moses that
    God is going to harden Pharaoh’s heart so that Pharaoh will not let the people go. This corresponds to the intention of God expressed in 9:22 to show God’s wrath precisely by this means.

    In the Bible, God’s justice does NOT require an *immediate, full* punishment/reward for the wrong-doer/obedient servant. There are immediate partial effects of curse and blessings, and there will eventually be full recompense of curse and blessings – but the system of divine retribution does not
    require BOTH *immediacy* and *fullness*. Even Christ waited in the
    tomb for the resurrection to glory after Christ died. Even the justified elect still have to wait for the future coming of Christ to receive resurrection to glory.

    This overthrows one specious argument for “common grace”, which is that God’s justice required sinners to go straight to hell, but
    sinners in general get to live for a while on earth, so this shows God
    has some common grace for sinners. God’s patient endurance of the vessels of wrath (non-elect), preserving their life on earth for some number of years, before the day of judgment, is not out of and does not indicate any grace towards them.

    Instead of seeing “common grace” in the temporal life of non-elect,
    one should see that the non-elect are spiritually cursed, even in
    their prosperity, and will end in permanent punishment. In the same way, one sees the true grace of God in the life of the justified elect,
    that they are blessed even in their afflictions, and will
    end in immortality and glory.

    One reason that there cannot be “common grace” is that there is no
    righteousness to back up that grace. God’s grace for the elect is
    backed up by a righteousness, the propitiatory death of Christ.

    Romans 5:21 that as sin ruled in death, in order that grace *rule
    through righteousness* to everlasting life, through Jesus Christ our
    Lord.

    Accordingly, many theologians of “common grace” also teach a
    “multi-purpose” atonement in which Christ also died to purchase
    benefits “falling short of salvation” for the non-elect. But this is
    profaning the blood of the Son of God, attributing to it a lesser
    quality of righteousness, a lesser value of redemption that falls
    short of salvation.

    The “purchased benefits” they speak of can be classified as two types: the first type are things that do exist but are simply God’s
    providence rather than grace, and the second type are things that are imagined to exist but do not. Of the first type are the “rain and
    sunshine”, i.e. preservation of this life. Of the second type is the
    “Free Offer”, a hypothetical opportunity for the non-elect to get
    saved by accepting an offer (that they will not be enabled to accept).

    1) It’s not enough to regularly teach election and just atonement, if
    you teach it only as an supplement to the gospel, as something that
    you do not break fellowship over. What would you call a church that
    confesses and teaches the Trinity but also regard some
    Arians/Unitarians as doctrinally weaker Christians?

    2) My target is those who teach the “Free Offer”, whether they are
    reformed or not.

    Personal anecdote: I met a pastor who professes doctrines like
    predestination, election, limited atonement, penal substitution,
    effectual calling, justification by faith, etc.

    I approached him and went straight to the point: I said one big
    problem with many churches today is that even when they profess
    definite atonement, they still think one can believe in universal
    atonement and be Christian.

    His reaction? He laughed and says nobody in history has used this
    doctrine as a standard. He says I’m a wolf and says he will warn the
    people under his care not to listen to me. His language reminded me of John 10 — this “shepherd” wants to warn the “sheep” not to listen to someone who would dare tell them about the fact that the Good Shepherd did not die for the goats and will not lose a single sheep.

    http://commongracedebate.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-longsuffering-of-god.htm

  3. Mark Mcculley Says:

    2 Peter 2: 3 They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive
    words. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.

    Shai Linne

    Let me begin, while there is still ink left in my pen
    I am set to contend for Truth you can bet will offend
    We talked about this years ago, let’s address it again
    And I ain’t really trying to start beef
    But some who claim to be part of His sheep got some sharp teeth (they’re wolves)
    But Jesus told us: Matthew 7:16, we can recognize them!
    And God forbid that for the love of some fans
    I keep quiet and watch them die with their blood on my hands!
    So, there’s nothing left for me to do except to speak to you
    In the spirit of Jude 3 and 2nd Peter 2
    And I know that some would label me a Pharisee

    Because today the only heresy is saying that there’s heresy:
    “How dare they be specific and drop some clarity
    On the popularity of the gospel of Prosperity”
    Turn off TBN, that channel is overrated
    The pastors speak bogus statements, financially motivated
    It’s kind of like a pyramid scheme

    Peep the Bible, it’s in 1 Timothy 6:9-10
    It talks about how the desire for riches
    Yet they’re encouraging the love of money

    Heretics christianizing the American dream
    They’re lying to people
    –Paula White is a false teacher!
    Use your discernment,
    Peep the Bible, it’s in 1 Timothy 6:9-10
    It talks about how the desire for riches
    Jesus is not a means to an end

    https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/9-things-know-prosperity-gospel-preacher-paula-white/

  4. Mark Mcculley Says:

    John Barclay–Paul makes no attempt to exonerate the executioners of Jesus, nor to pass off his crucifixion as a temporary error in the
    otherwise sound practice of Roman justice The crucifixion of the Lord
    of glory by “the rulers of this age” is the clearest possible
    indication that this age understands nothing of the divine system of
    value. The crucifixion is not just a temporary aberration in an
    otherwise well-functioning system. The crucifixion is the clearest
    possible proof that the norms which pass for ‘wisdom’ are corrupt and barbaric, utterly worthless in their judgment.

    • markmcculley Says:

      It’s not legal for us private persons to put anyone to death,” they explained. Then the police asked, are you a peaceful protester or one of those agitators or looters?
      and he said: Are you asking this to keep me safe, or because some private persons don’t want me to be safe anymore?
      And the police explained, Don’t you understand that we are the only ones standing between you and them?
      and he said: What have I said that they handed me over to you?
      And the police answered: what have you done?
      and he said: I have talked in public about this system being destroyed. Those who live by truth and not by lies will listen to what I have said.
      And the police — we don’t have time to sit around and talk about truth

      https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-04-06/south-africas-imperfect-progress-20-years-after-truth-reconciliation-commission

      John 18: 36 Then Pilate went back into the headquarters, summoned Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”
      34 Jesus answered, “Are you asking this on your own, or have others told you about Me?”
      35 “I’m not a Jew, am I?” Pilate replied. “Your own nation and the chief priests handed You over to me. What have You done?”
      36 “My kingdom is not of this world,” said Jesus. “If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I wouldn’t be
      handed over to the Jews. As it is, My kingdom does not have its origin here.”

      37 “You are a king then?” Pilate asked.
      “You say that I’m a king,” Jesus replied. “I was born for this, and I have come into the world for this: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice.”
      38 “What is truth?” said Pilate.

  5. Mark Mcculley Says:

    Matthew 8: 19 A scribe approached Jesus and said, “Teacher, I will follow You wherever You go!” 20 Jesus told him, “Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.” 21 “Lord,” said another disciple, “first let me go bury my father.” 22 But Jesus told him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”
    Was Jesus telling the man not to get married or buy property or was Jesus telling the man not to think about politics or was Jesus telling the man to keep his thinking about politics separate from his thinking about the “spiritual” gospel?
    Or was Jesus making a mistake about the timing and getting ahead of himself (immanentizing the eschaton)?

    Pledge allegiance either to the mafia or to the police, because without our protection, your wife would be raped and you would have to move to some pacifist place where there is no citizenship.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/06/the-tragedy-of-tony-blair/302979/

    Mark 10: 29 “I assure you,” Jesus said, “there is no one who has left house, brothers or sisters, mother or father, children, or fields because of Me and the gospel, 30 who
    will not receive 100 times more, now at this time—houses, brothers and sisters, mothers and children, and fields, with persecutions—and
    lasting life in the age to come.
    There is no promise to get back any father or fathers except the
    Father of Jesus.
    Matthew 23: 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father, because you
    have one Father, who is in heaven.
    John 20:17 Tell them that I am ascending to My Father and your Father

    Sam Leith—Antinomianism is the idea that justification by faith
    liberates you from any need to do good works. If good works are not
    needed for justification, then good works are not needed

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3623917/Commentary.html

  6. Mark Mcculley Says:

    consequences for the things you didn’t choose
    so why do you want to say
    “they chose they pay”

    I Corinthians 2: 6 We do not speak the wisdom of the rulers of this
    age, who are coming to nothing.

    I Corinthians 4: 5 Therefore don’t judge anything impatiently, before
    the Lord comes, who will both bring to light what is hidden in
    darkness and reveal the motives of the hearts. …Why are you inflated with pride in favor of one over another. Who makes you superior? What do you have that you didn’t receive? Why do you boast as if you hadn’t received it?

    Luke 8:14 The seed that fell among thorns are those, having heard, go on their way and are choked with the ANXIETIES AND RICHES of life, and produce no mature fruit.

    James 1:3 Endurance must do its work, in order that you become mature

    Ecclesiastes 7:8 A patient spirit is better than a proud spirit.

    1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient

    Isaiah 30:18 The Lord is waiting to show you mercy. The Lord is a
    just God. All who wait patiently for the Lord are happy.

    Hebrews 6:15 After waiting patiently, Abraham obtained the promise.

  7. Mark Mcculley Says:

    Romans 13: 10 Love is the fulfillment of the law.

    James 4–the one who speaks against Law  judges Law. But if you
    judge Law, you are not a doer of Law, but a judge.

    James 5:10  take the prophets who spoke in the Lord’s name as an
    example of suffering and patience.

    I Timothy 1: 5 The goal of our instruction is love that comes from a
    pure heart, a good conscience, and a sincere faith.

    I John 3: 18 We must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action. 19 This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence.

  8. Mark Mcculley Says:

    Luke 4: 3 Satan said to Jesus, “If You are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.”
    4 But Jesus answered him, “It is written: Man must not live on bread alone.”
    5 So Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world — “I will give You their splendor and all this authority, because it has been given over to me, and I can give it to anyone I want. 7 If You will worship me,all these will be Yours.”
    8 And Jesus answered Satan, “It is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”
    9 So Satan took Jesus to Jerusalem, had Jesus stand on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Jesus, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here

    Luther–your will is in bondage
    so any choice you make will be wrong
    knowing that
    free you from having to choose
    or thinking your choice matters
    the inquisitor —the impossibility of human righteousness

    Leaving your place in the past is still living with yourself in history.
    Genesis 19 The two angels entered Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting at Sodom’s gate.
    Genesis 19: 8 Look, I’ve got two daughters. I’ll bring them out to you, and you can do whatever you want to them. However, don’t do anything to these men, because they have come under the protection of my roof.
    Genesis 19: 7 As soon as the angels got them outside, they said, “Run for your lives. Don’t look back and don’t stop.

  9. Mark Mcculley Says:

    God revealed as patient or God revealed as hidden

    Psalm 73  21 When I became bitter I was an ass

    Psalm 73: 28 But as for me, God’s presence is my good.

    saiah 58: 2   They delight in the nearness of God.”

    Jeremiah 23: 23 “Am I a God who is only near and not a God who is far away? 24 Can they hide themselves  in secret places where I cannot see them?  Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?”—

    Romans 9: 15  God told Moses:
    I will show mercy
    to whom I will show mercy,
    and I will have compassion
    on whom I will have compassion

    Exodus 33: 1 8 Then Moses said, “Please, let me see Your glory.”
    19 God said, “I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim the name Yahweh before you…..You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.” 21 Here is a place near Me. You are to stand on the rock, 22 and when My glory passes by, I will put you in the space in the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will take My hand away, and you will see My back, but My face  you will not see.

    https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/pure-jet-lag-thinking-with-paul-virilio-1932-2018

  10. Mark Mcculley Says:

    William F. Buckley popularized Voegelin’s phrase as “Don’t immanentize the eschaton!”  Voegelin identified  similarities between ancient Gnosticism and the beliefs held by a number of modern political theories— “The problem in history, hence, arises only when a Christian transcendental fulfillment becomes immanentized. Such a fulfillment is a theoretical fallacy.”   Conservatives of the status quo describe this process as “hastening the second coming” or ” rushing the apocalypse” 

    Matthew 24:14–The gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come”

    https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/can-we-hasten-the-parousia/

  11. Mark Mcculley Says:

    Isaiah 58: 2 They delight in the nearness of God.”
    Jeremiah 23: 23 “Am I a God who is only near and not a God who is far away? 24 Can they hide themselves in secret places where I cannot see them? Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?”—
    Romans 9: 15 God told Moses:
    I will show mercy
    to whom I will show mercy,
    and I will have compassion
    on whom I will have compassion
    Exodus 33: 1 8 Then Moses said, “Please, let me see Your glory.”
    19 God said, “I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim the name Yahweh before you…..You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.” 21 Here is a place near Me. You are to stand on the rock, 22 and when My glory passes by, I will put you in the space in the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will take My hand away, and you will see My back, but My face you will not see.

  12. Mark Mcculley Says:

    proto–There are Right-wing who believe that c Church’s task should not be confused with the role of fixing society. That said, they are happy to embrace coercive (but somewhat camouflaged) back to Christendom policies and pursue (what they think to be) a moral agenda which often overlaps with the project pursued by the Christian Right. They’re pro-Wall Street, pro-Pentagon, pro-police and openly celebrate American culture and the empire and are happy to have it identified as being Christian.
    But they don’t think that a Church should try and get involved in
    working with the state to alleviate poverty, racism or correcting
    historical wrongs. It’s a self-serving, politically convenient
    and disingenuous position to take.
    https://proto-protestantism.blogspot.com/2020/06/revisiting-world-magazine-and-olaskys.html

  13. Mark Mcculley Says:

    1 Timothy 1:16 I received mercy, that Jesus Christ
    would show me patience , for an example to those being
    about to believe on Him to lasting life

    Dallas four pointer (Stephen Strehe) –The arguments about double jeopardy and universalism are not valid, because their proponents also must inconsistently make the atonement ineffective until it is actually applied.” The idea is that the only way for a definite atonement person to be “consistent” is for that person to also teach eternal justification. But John Owen (in an argument in the Death of Death which is usually ignored) has already explained that God’s delayed legal application of what Christ has already legally purchased (impetration) does not make that purchase by death any less legal or effective.

    Dabney’s  question—If justice forbids the same sin to be punished once in Christ and then in a sinner, how can God ‘justly hold elect unbelievers subject to wrath till they believe’ ( Ephesians 2:l-3)?

    Dabney– The wrath that rests upon all unbelievers, whether elect or non-elect, is on account of sin. If it is granted that the elect are under God’s wrath until they believe, how
    is such wrath not a punishment for the same sin twice over?  Would not the double-payment argument also forbid God to punish the unbelieving elect for their sins  because their sins have been punished in Christ?

    https://derekzrishmawy.com/2020/04/

  14. Mark Mcculley Says:

    Westminster Larger Catechism:
    Q. 85. Death being the wages of sin, why are not the righteous delivered from death, seeing all their sins are forgiven in Christ?

    A. The righteous (shall be delivered from death itself at the last day)
     even in death are delivered from the sting and curse of death,  so
    that, although they die, yet their death is out of God’s love, to free them perfectly from sin and misery, and to make them capable of further communion with Christ in glory, which they then enter upon.
    http://religible.com/562/immortal-soul-westminster-confession/

  15. Mark Mcculley Says:

    he seed of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael

    John 8: 32 You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
    33 “We are the seed of Abraham,” they answered Him, “and we have never been slaves.”

    Genesis 15: 12 As the sun was setting, suddenly great terror and darkness descended on Abram. 13 Then the Lord said to Abram, “Know this for certain: Your seed will be foreigners in a land that does not belong to them. Your seed will be slaves 400 years.

    John 8: 35 A slave does not remain in the household forever, but a son does remain forever.

    Abraham saw the Lord. The Lord saw Abraham

    Genesis 12: 5 Abram was 75 years old when Abrahm left Haran. 5 Abram took his wife Sarai and the slaves Abram had acquired in Haran, and they set out for the land of Canaan 6 At that time the Canaanites were in the land. 7 Then the Lord APPEARED TO Abram and said, “I will give this land to your seed.” So Abraham built an altar there to the Lord who had appeared to him
    Genesis 12: 16 The Pharaoh treated Abram well because of Sarah , and Abram acquired more male and female slaves

    Genesis 18 Then the Lord appeared to Abraham at the oaks of Mamre while Abraham was sitting in the entrance of his tent during the heat of the day.
    Genesis 18: 17 Then the Lord said, “Should I hide what I am about to do from Abraham? 18 Abraham is to BECOME a great and powerful nation, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed through Abraham 19 For I have chosen Abraham in order that Abraham will COMMAND his children and slaves to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right. This is how the Lord will fulfill to Abraham what the Lord promised Abraham

    Genesis 22: 3 So Abraham took with his son Isaac and set out to go to the PLACE God had told him about. 4 On the third day Abraham looked up and SAW THE PLACE in the distance.

    Genesis 22: 8 where is the lamb for the burnt offering? Abraham answered, “God Himself will see the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.”

    Genesis 24: 35 “The Lord has greatly blessed my master, and Abraham has become rich. The Lord has given him male and female slaves and Sarah, my master’s wife, bore a son to my master in her old age. The Lord has given Abraham everything Abraham owns.

    Genesis 26: 13 Isaac became rich and kept getting richer until Isaac was very wealthy. 14 Isaac had flocks of sheep, herds of cattle, and many slaves,

    https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/article/mutuality-blog-magazine/justifying-injustice-bible-slavery

  16. Mark Mcculley Says:

    D. G. Hart wrote that  Nero did not violate God’s law if Nero executed
    Christians who obeyed God rather than man. If Paul continued to preach after the emperor said he may not, then Nero was doing what God ordained government to do.

    http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/01/two-kingdom-fascism.html

  17. Mark Mcculley Says:

    The Schleitheim Confession from 1527. (The confession, attributed to a group of Anabaptist led by Michael Sattler, consisted of seven articles)

    Christ prohibits all swearing to His followers, whether true or false, – neither by heaven, nor by the earth, nor by Jerusalem, nor by our head, – and that for the reason which Christ shortly gives, For you are not able to make one hair white or black. So you see it is for this reason that all swearing is forbidden: we cannot fulfill that which we promise when we swear.. https://www.blacksheepbaptist.com/blog/2017/12/20/4jfeoua2alyblesu7ebhjqnzttqeg6

    Any means needed to get the Supreme Court as a means to creating Christ’s coming kingdom This end justifies the means.
    Romans 3: 3 Will their unbelief CANCEL God’s faithfulness? 4 Absolutely not! God must be true, even if everyone is a liar, as it is written: In order that you be justified in Your words and triumph when You judge….7 But they say, If my lie is a means that God’s truth is amplified to His glory, why am I still judged as a sinner? 8 Why not do what is evil as a means

    Franklin Graham —-America is now great again, saved in the nick of
    time from Satan

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/susanwright/2018/07/talk-about-trumps-adulteries-risk-the-wrath-of-god-claims-franklin-graham/

  18. Mark Mcculley Says:

    if God can kill, so can we?

    Hebrews 2:  15 After waiting patiently, Abraham obtained the promise. 16 Because humans  swear by something greater than themselves. 17 Because God wanted to show His unchangeable purpose even more clearly to the heirs of the promise, God guaranteed the promise  with an oath, 18 so that through two unchangeable things( it  is impossible for God to lie)  we who have fled for refuge have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us.

    Matthew 5: 36 Neither should you swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black

    Live not by human oaths

    https://amnetwork.uk/resource/economical-with-the-truth-swearing-and-lying-an-anabaptist-perspective/

    Augustine wrote that the oath was spiritually dangerous and that Christians should never swear, because perjury would lead to God’s vengeance. Except in two cases, when it would be tolerable for Christians reluctantly to swear. “It is not to be counted among the things that are good, but as one of the things that are necessary BECAUSE OF SOME GREATER GOOD. The criteria of the “just oath” are similar to those Augustine developed to justify “just war”

    It was the less powerful people who were required to swear oaths as a form of social control by those in authority

    James 5: 12  Do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. Your “yes” must be “yes,” and your “no” must be “no,” in order that you won’t fall under judgment.

    Oathtaking is not Christian.  It’s a profane ritual of  Christendom.

    A recent study by Sisela Bok indicated that in many professions “deception is taken for granted”

    Prevarication, obfuscation and  lying are constants in European history – in pagan times, in Christendom, and also in post-Christendom.  Swearing hasn’t improved things.  Indeed, swearing has made people think that they don’t have to be truthful unless they are under oath.

    “frankly”
    “to be honest”

    With reference to their views on oath-taking, the Genevan Reformer John Calvin wrote that  the Anabaptists demonstrate a “total lack of
    intelligence. There is nothing we can learn  from them or they from us. They must be punished….”

    Which God is the religious ritual appealing to? Curse sanctions need some specific deity. Lutheran Reformer Philip Melanchthon—“in an oath we ask God as the punisher of falsehood to punish us in earnest if we are lying.

    The oath establishes two levels of truthfulness, when people are under oath (and are supposed  to be truthful) and then politics (when people can say what they find convenient)

    The magisterial Protestant Reformers argued that  the COMMON OATH is Necessary.  In 1560 the Swiss Reformer Heinrich Bullinger put it succinctly: “The oath is the button, which holds together the whole body of the common good.”   Martin Luther ( On Worldly Authority) –christians should never swear, EXCEPT WHEN it may be necessary for the good of the neighbor

    Matthew 5:33 Jesus — Do not swear at all . . . Let your word be ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’.  Anything more than this comes from the evil one.  

    Philippians 2: 15  Be pure, children of God who are lights shining
    like stars in the WORLD

    Philippians 3:18  Many LIVE AS enemies of the cross of Christ… They are focused on the earthly administration of justice and property 20 but  we LIVE under the administration of heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Chris

    Colossians 2:20  Since you died with Christ to the  administration of
    this world, why do you LIVE AS  if you still belonged to the world?
    Colossians 3:5   Put to death what belongs to your worldly nature:
    sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desire, and  GREED WHICH IS
    IDOLATRY

  19. Mark Mcculley Says:

    Kierkegaard’s idea of the knight of faith in Fear and Trembling, where he writes under the pseudonym Johannes de Silentio. Johannes looks at the knight of faith and he says that the knight is solid all the way through, and that idea of someone who is not maybe as visibly resistant but who is internally resistant
    http://farefwd.com/index.php/2020/12/30/the-fare-forward-interview-with-alan-jacobs/


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