By Means of Christ’s Death or By Any Means God Decides?

Grace bypasses our works. The gospel is not grace plus works enabled by grace. The gospel says–grace OR works. It’s not grace for justification and salvation, but works for the other stuff. Either you support yourself, or you live by grace.

If God already decided to forgive some sins and some sinners, does it matter if God has also decided to forgive sins by means of Christ’s death or not by means of Christ’s death?

Does it matter if God uses Christ’s death as wrath and law satisfaction? Or is God by nature only sovereign, so that Christ’s death tells us nothing about God’s nature or about it being necessary for God to satisfy His justice for those God forgives?

If we agree that Christ’s death saves, does it matter if we agree about the meaning of Christ’s death? By means of Christ’s death or by any means God decides?

Romans 3: 24 They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ Jesus as a propitiation ( through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness)

Galatians 2: 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.

Hebrews 1: 3 After making purification for sins, Christ sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Hebrews 7: 26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he DID THIS ONCE FOR ALL WHEN HE OFFERED UP HIMSELF.

Hebrews 9: 25 Christ did not offer Himself many times, as the high priest enters the sanctuary yearly with the blood of another. 26 Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer many times since the foundation of the world. But now Christ has appeared one time, at the end of the ages, for the removal of sin by the sacrifice of Himself

Hebrews 10: 10 we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once and for all…12 This man, after offering one permanent sacrifice for sins, sat down at the right hand of God. 13 Christ is now waiting until His enemies are made His footstool. 14 By one offering Christ has perfected those who are sanctified.

It’s not grace for justification and salvation, but works for the Christian life. It’s not grace for justification but works for raising your family. It’s not grace for justification but works for making money and keeping that money safe from your enemies. Either you support yourself, or you live by grace. Either you lean on the lasting arms of God or you lean on your own sufficiency to add something to the mix.

Romans 1: 17 The righteous will live by faith

Romans 3: 24 They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ Jesus as a propitiation ( through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness)

Romans 4:16 The promise is by faith, in order that the promise be according to grace, to guarantee the promise.

Galatians 2:20 The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing

if anybody is first in the new covenant and then out, then God is neither sovereign nor just (to Christ, whose death paid for all the blessings of salvation

Romans 4: 4 Now to him that works the reward is not counted grace, but what is due

Romans 8:32 “God the Father did not even spare or keep back His own Son but handed over His Son for us. How then will God the Father not also WITH THE SON GIVE us everything

John 10: 17 This is why the Father loves Me, because I am laying down My life in order to take it up again.

John 17: 4 I have glorified You on the earth
by completing the work You gave Me to do.
Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence

Yes, the Father loves the Son
But also the Father will give the Son what the Son is due
The Father loves the Son because the Son gives the Father what the Father is due

2 Peter 1: 17 For when the Lord Jesus Christ received honor and glory from God the Father, a voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory:
This is My beloved Son.
I take delight in Him!

Isaiah 42 “This is My Servant; I strengthen Him,
this is My Chosen One; I delight in Him.
I have put My Spirit on Him;
He will bring justice to the nations.
2 He will not cry out or shout
or make His voice heard in the streets.
3 He will not break a bruised reed,
and He will not put out a smoldering wick;
He will faithfully bring justice.
4 He will not grow weak or be discouraged
until He has established justice on earth.

Grace to the elect was not grace to Jesus Christ
Christ did what Christ was obligated to do to save His elect
God the Son by His death appeased God’s wrath and purchased blessings

To save those the Father gave Him, the Son had a duty to die for them

Isaiah 53: 10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many

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2 Comments on “By Means of Christ’s Death or By Any Means God Decides?”

  1. markmcculley Says:

    John Owen, comments on Hebrews 8:6-13—No man was ever saved but by virtue of the NEW COVENANT, and the mediation of Christ in that respect. The Sinai covenant thus made, with these ends and promises, did never save nor condemn any man eternally. The old covenants were confined unto things temporal. Believers in the gospel were saved under the old covenants but not by virtue of the old covenants

    https://contrast2.wordpress.com/2014/10/30/owen-new-covenant-conditional-or-absolute/

  2. markmcculley Says:

    David Bishop-The death of Christ is what justified God. Justifying the unrighteous is the result of Christ’s death justifying God for the sins of the elect.
    The justification of the unrighteous is what Christ purchased for His elect by obtaining the righteousness. By His death Christ obtained the righteousness. Christ’s death is what God legally imputes to His elect to declare them righteous.

    What we are talking about is the “value” or the “merit” of Christ’s death, an objective thing which God legally transfers.

    But most people who define “the righteousness” as Christ’s Lawkeeping rather than (or in addition to ) “law satisfaction by death” are people who don’t really think there is any “merit ” in the death. So they look for merit somewhere else, either in God’s faithfulness or Christ’s faith (or God’s faith in Christ) or something else.

    new perspective: “Christ Himself is our righteousness. There is no objective thing out there called the righteousness of Christ, but it is Christ Himself the person who is our righteousness

    a preacher soundbite “It was not enough that our sins were imputed to him. His death on the cross was much, much more than a legal matter.”

    Some of these preachers say that justification is transferred to Christians but deny that objective righteousness is transferred to Christians because they say that “righteousness not a substance or a gas or a liquid or a solid or a thing”——

    Even some of the preachers who oppose the idea that “made sin” is about corruption, continue to focus on the ‘spiritual death” of Christ and not on guilt transferred (Christ under condemnation for the sins of the elect) ).

    Their view of “spiritual life” is not about a transition from condemnation to lasting legal life of the age to come , but instead on being given a “deep rooted change of heart instead of a mere mental change.”

    Instead of a repentance from the false notion that many people who don’t know the gospel are already justified, their focus is on a repentance involves a change of mind that is so powerful that it reaches the whole person ( mind, the affections, and the will—the inner man and not merely the intellect) Instead of confessing that “I was still in my sins, under law to God”, this view focuses on “something different and more than knowing some doctrine we did not know.”

    Instead of passing from a state of condemnation to a state of justification, this view defines salvation as a change of heart that results in us feeling our sins and competing with each other about who is the worst sinner.

    But if sin is only corruption, and not objective guilt, then righteousness also is not objective, and not something which can be imputed in time. And if righteousness cannot be imputed in time, then Christ’s death as satisfaction of law for imputed sins cannot be the most important thing. Instead. the focus will be on Christ “being forsaken by God in his time on the cross”. (p 49)

    Preachers who think that all the elect have already been justified in Christ are preachers who find it quite difficult to think of any of the elect having ever been condemned in Adam

    https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/righteousness-is-not-an-objective-thing-out-there/


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