Your believing will not Cause you to be Born Again

John 3:18 The one who believes not is condemned ALREADY

John 3:36 The one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God REMAINS on them

Not all sins, not all sin, was laid on the Savior
But every sin which was laid on Christ has been paid for by Christ’s death
No sin is paid for by our believing

The believer who points to their believing and says that this believing made peace
is not yet believing the true gospel.
Different believers believe different gospels

Even if you don’t think your believing is the righteousness,
if you believe that Christ’s righteousness was for everybody
then you certainly don’t think it’s Christ’s righteousness which saves those who are save

I Peter 2:24 who his own self bore OUR sins in his body on the tree
I Corinthians 15 Christ died FOR OUR SINS according to the Scripture

The gospel is not about how God COULD save somebody
The gospel is about how God WILL save all for whom Christ died
The gospel is not about sinners already being saved before they believe
The gospel is not about sinners being saved without knowing or believing.

The gospel is about Christ having been imputed with all the sins of those God loves
The gospel is about Christ’s death one time taking away God’s wrath for those sins
The gospel is about God imputing Christ’s death to the elect and giving them faith in that death as the righteousness which will give every blessing of salvation

II Peter 1:1 Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ:To those who have obtained a faith of equal privilege with ours THROUGH THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Christ’s blood means Christ’s death
Christ’s righteousness means Christ’s death
satisfies God’s wrath against sins

God does not buy God’s love for His people
God’s love for God’s people is the reason God buys His people
Christ’s righteousness pays for God’s people

Romans 5:8 But God proves His own love for US in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us! 9 Much more then, since we have NOW been declared righteous by His blood, we WILL BE SAVED through Christ from wrath. 10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the DEATH of His Son, then how much more, having been reconciled, WILL WE BE SAVED by His resurrection

Ephesians 1:7 in Christ we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to His grace

All for whose sins Christ died were first objects of God’s love
God’s elect are not loved because they believe
God’s elect believe the gospel only because of God’s grace

Those who believe the gospel are free from condemnation
passed from death to life
but NOT because they believe and NOT because God always saw that they would believe
believing the gospel is a gift of grace purchased by Christ’s death

Romans 8: If God is for us, who is against us?
32 God did not even hold back His own Son
but handed Him over for US all;
how will God not also ( along with His Son) GIVE us everything else?
33 Who can bring an accusation against God’s elect?
God is the One who justifies.
34 Who is the one who condemns?
Christ Jesus is the One who died,
but even more, has been raised;
Christ Jesus also is at the right hand of God
and intercedes for us.

All for whom Christ died will in time believe the gospel
the gospel is not that Christ died for all sins and all sinners
you can’t know if Christ died for you until after you believe the gospel

But how can you believe if you don’t know first if Christ died for you?
The gospel is not that Christ died for you
Christ died for the specific sins of the elect as propitiation for those sins

Those who believe the gospel are those for whom Christ died
NOTHING IN THE BIBLE SAYS THAT CHRIST DIED FOR ANYBODY WHO NEVER BELIEVES THE GOSPEL

Hebrews 9:12 Christ entered once into the holy place, HAVING OBTAINED PERMANENT REDEMPTION for US

But how can you believe if you don’t know if God will give you believing?

how can you take a breath without knowing if God will give you another breath?

Why would you not want to breathe?

why would you insist on knowing that Jesus died for you before you would believe?

Would you like it better if Jesus died for everybody even though not everybody will be saved from God’s wrath?

Would you like it better if at least your believing was not a gift God gives also along with the death of Jesus?

Would you like it better if it was not the death of Jesus that made the difference but instead your believing?

would you like it better if God loved those who will perish under God’s wrath just as much as God loved those who God will save?

Would God be more righteous to you if Christ’s death was not enough to turn sinners into those who believe what God says about Christ’s death?

would God be more righteous to you if God did not care what you believe about believing making the difference?

Does Christ’s righteousness depend on what you do with that righteousness?

II Corinthians 5: 17 If anyone is in Christ, there is new creation. Old things have passed away, and look, new things have come. 18 Everything is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us to serve the reconciliation: 19 In Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against THEM , and God has committed the message of reconciliation to US. 20 Therefore, WE are ambassadors for Christ, certain that God is appealing through US. WE plead on Christ’s behalf, “Be reconciled to God.”

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5 Comments on “Your believing will not Cause you to be Born Again”

  1. markmcculley Says:

    The true God is not held hostage by our sins, and the love of Christ is not frustrated by a sinner’s lack of trust. I John 2, “But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.”

    Evangelical DA Carson says that world means everybody. And I say, this will not do. And Carson says, but the whole world agrees with me, not least because I have a PHD.

    I John 2:2 is not about making an offer of the false gospel to everybody, or telling them that God loves them, with extra for others in the fine print. I John 2:2 is about propitiation. Christ is the advocate, the propitiation, not only for us who are reading I John but also for the whole world. The world in this context does not include the non-elect anymore than world in John 3:16 includes the non-elect.

    God gave His only Son as the propitiation taking God’s wrath so that those for whom He was given do not perish under God’s wrath. John 3:16 is about a love which keeps those loved from perishing. If Carson wants to say that God gave the Son to die for everybody and that God loved everybody, instead of doubletalk he will need to explain why the propitiation is not effective.

    If it is not effective for everybody, how is it effective for anybody?

    Yes, we can discuss every text with the word “world” in it, and we will agree that it does not always mean the same thing. But when we are done with all that, the question remains— if the propitiation is for everybody, does the effectiveness of it depend on the sinner? Does the putting trust in also propitiate? It is not quite rational to accuse somebody of being a rationalist without answering that question.

  2. markmcculley Says:

    God did not send His Son to die for the elect in order to love the elect
    God sent His Son to die for the elect because God loved the elect

    in respect of love, God loves some and not others

    in respect of justice, God has no respect of persons, God justifies nobody who is not imputed with Christ’s death

    God has not yet justified any of the elect to whom God has not yet baptized into Christ’s death

    justification does not depend on our faith or understanding in the gospel
    but nobody is justified without faith and understanding the gospel

    the Holy Spirit is not here first, to then give us faith and to then give us Christ

    God’s legal imputation gives us Christ’s death and Christ’s death gives us Christ and then faith and access

    God does not change, but God’s external relation to the elect changes when the elect are justified

    there is no legal safety in Christ before an elect person legally shares in Christ’s death

    so there is order and priority here

    Christ was divinity before Christ was also humanity
    Christ’s divinity is not changed by Christ’s incarnation and humanity

    Christ’s divinity is everywhere present and still has priority when Christ’s humanity is present locally (or even dead)

    i deny that we can have Christ’s (human gracious) presence before we are imputed with Christ’s death and legal access

  3. markmcculley Says:

    election is easy, they say
    all you need to know is that you are a Christian
    and then you know you are elect

    all you need to know is that God loves you

    even if you disagree with God about who God is

    in spite of that, because you know you believe in the God
    you believe in, you know you are a Christian

    if you must think about such things

    Some “Calvinists” believe in a “limited atonement” in that they say that “”Jesus only died for those He knew He would enable to ask Him to die for them”

    ie, if you ask Jesus to die for you, He will

    that is “limited atonement”, but it’s not what the Bible teaches about the nature of propitiation for the imputed sins of the elect

  4. markmcculley Says:

    what if i already got saved, how can i get saved again?

    what if I already got saved by agreeing that Jesus died for me?

    what should I do now?

    do I now need to get unsaved?

    do I need to repent of believing the false gospel?

    or will God repent for me of being the false gospel?

    do I need to believe a different gospel, a gospel which is the true gospel?

    or will God believe the true gospel for me?

    or do I perhaps need to hear the same gospel but hear it in a different way this time?

    do I need to believe the gospel this time while also turning from my sins and making a commitment to live right?

    or is God in me hearing and believing the gospel?

    and since I was already elect or not elect,
    have I always been justified already or never justified already
    before and after that time I got saved the first time?

  5. markmcculley Says:

    https://faithalone.org/blog/j-i-packer-and-the-bondage-of-tradition/

    Many many mentions of “born again” in John 3 before “believe in him”. ”

    The phrase eternal life refers to a gift to be received in the age to come

    “Eternal life” is not the same as “born again”

    John 3: 15 so that everyone who believes in Him will have eternal life. 16 “For God loved the world in this way. He gave His One and Only Son,so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

    http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/peter_lumpkins/2011/01/founders-journal-whosoever-will-matthew-barrett-on-steve-lemke-part-ii-by-peter-lumpkins.html


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