Chuck E. Cheese Tokens–Does your church PAY OUT with SACRAMENTAL CURRENCY?

“I said it was only a bread-god.’ The priests were wroth that I so contemned their god.”

Calvin (3:2:24) —-Christ is not outside us but dwells within us. Not only does Christ cleave to us by an indivisible bond of fellowship, but grow MORE AND MORE into one body with us, until He becomes completely one with us

Luther– “Christ daily drives out the old Adam MORE AND MORE in accordance with the extent to which faith and knowledge of Christ grow. For alien righteousness is not instilled all at once, but it begins, makes progress, and is finally perfected at the end through death (“Two Kinds of Righteousness,” LW 31: 299)

Doug Moo–There is no need to set Paul’s “juridicial” and “participationist” categories in opposition to one another (see Gaffin, By Faith Not By Sight, p 35-41). The problem of positing a union with Christ that precedes the erasure of our legal condemnation before God ( making justification the product of union with Christ) CAN BE ANSWERED IF WE POSIT, WITHIN THE SINGLE WORK OF CHRIST, TWO STAGES OF “JUSTIFICATION”, one involving Christ’s payment of our legal debt–the basis for our regeneration–and second our actual justification.” (Justification in Galatians”, p 172, Understanding the Times)

Heidelberg Catechsim Q. 76. What is it then to eat the crucified body, and drink the shed blood of Christ?

A. It is not only to embrace with believing heart all the sufferings and death of Christ and thereby to obtain the pardon of sin, and life eternal; BUT ALSO, BESIDES THAT TO BECOME MORE AND MORE UNITED TO HIS SACRED BODY, by the Holy Spirit, who dwells both in Christ and in us; so that we, though Christ is in heaven and we on earth, are notwithstanding “flesh of his flesh:….

Austrian economics (Mises) teaches that “If people value something, it has value. if people do not value some­thing, it does not have value. There is no intrinsic about it.”

If you define church by its “sacraments” and define sacrament not as your remembering but as God (through the church) handing out grace, then the distribution by your church of the “means of grace” is the way your church “pays out”.

Although there is no objective grace from God in what your church does, if you think that its sacrament has value for you, then you will try to find a church with an “ordained minister” (with a “vocation” as “called by God”) in order for you to receive “more and more” union with the presence of Christ.

Many people think that, if there is no sacrament, there is no church. They also think that If there is no ordained preacher to hand out grace in sacraments), there is no church

When you have a birthday part for your grandchildren at Chuck E Cheese, they give you “tokens” which you can use to play the games at Chuck E. Cheese. The tokens have no value anywhere else, but you can use them play skee ball and shoot baskets while you eat junk food at the party. In this sense, the sacraments in your church function as its “money”.

The basic difference between sacramental churches is how much your faith is involved in your obtaining grace from the sacrament. Though Lutherans teach that your “faith alone” along with their sacrament will give you grace from God, Lutherans also teach that their sacrament will give more and more curse to those who do not believe in the sacrament.

The Reformed tend to teach that only those who believe in the sacrament get to go to heaven and eat Jesus. The Reformed teach that God is NOT PRESENT in the sacrament for those who don’t believe in the sacrament, but even the Reformed also teach that some people end up dead because of the sacrament, because unbelief “eats and drinks judgment” .

John Calvin—“The integrity of the sacrament lies here, that the flesh and blood of Christ are not less truly given to the unworthy than to the elect believers of God; and yet it is true, that just as the rain falling on the hard rock runs away because it cannot penetrate, so the wicked by their hardness repel the grace of God, and prevent it from reaching them

Unlike the Roman Catholic church, the sacramental protestants do not teach that the church makes certain Christ’s presence in the sacrament. The sacramental protestants teach that the word of God (as preached by ordained preachers) guarantees the objective sanctions of the sacrament.

For the Protestants, the sacraments are not about us (taking or eating or remembering). For the Protestants, the sacraments are about the ordained preachers. While these Protestants mock “memorial societies”, they claim that “the church” (defined by ordained preachers) is the “living body of Christ”.

Though Lutherans teach that the humanity of Jesus is now everywhere present, they also teach that the humanity of Jesus shows up on earth in a specific time and place predictably when an ordained preacher is involved. Unlike the Lutherans, the Reformed teach that the humanity of Jesus is present only in heaven, but the Reformed teach that those who believe in the sacrament will at certain times and places (where there are ordained preachers) be taken up to heaven to be more and more with Jesus.

For the Reformed, the preachers are necessary but not enough—to nourish on Jesus you need faith in the sacrament and this faith will make the distance between heaven and earth disappear (at certain times and places, where ordained preachers are present). So it’s never only your faith, and it’s never only the preachers. But the Reformed church pays out in grace if you believe that the sacrament is a means of grace. And if you don’t believe that the sacrament gives grace, then you get nothing.

John 3: 8 The wind blows WHERE IT PLEASES and you hear its sound, but you don’t know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

John 4: 19 “Sir,” the woman replied, “I see that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain,yet you Jews say that the place to worship is in Jerusalem.” 21 Jesus told her, “Believe Me, woman, an hour is coming when you will worship the Father NOT on this mountain and NOT in Jerusalem…..an hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth…. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

John 20: 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

If a basketball team “puts in a lot of effort” but still loses, where is the value? If something has no value to you,, it has no value, unless somebody else values it enough to pay you for it. It really does not matter how much “work was put into it”.

People often value things that have no value to God.

Proverbs 15:8 “The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD”

Philippians 3: 8 More than that, I also consider everything to be a loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. Because of Him I have suffered the loss of all things and consider those things shit, in order that I gain Christ 9 and be found in Him

Romans 6:20 ”For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? The end of those thing is death”

Luke 16:15 That which is highly esteemed among humans is abomination in the sight of God.

Sacramentalists don’t trust liberals because as traditionalists they rightly connect suspicion of the nation-state with skepticism about preachers and the church. The majority culture always opposes any attempt of the “sects” to judge what the gospel is, without the authority of other people, including the catholic creeds.

Forget trying to know what the gospel is and who is a Christian, and instead come to the sacrament where the preacher will tell you personally that the grace is “for you” (even though it won’t be if you don’t believe in the sacrament)

Calvin- Institutes 4:17:5 For there are some who define the eating of the flesh of Christ, and the drinking of his blood, to be, in one word, nothing more than believing in Christ himself. But Christ seems to me to have intended to teach something more express and MORE SUBLIME in that noble discourse, in which he recommends the eating of his flesh—viz. that we are quickened by the true partaking of HIM, which he designated by the terms eating and drinking, lest any one should suppose that the life which we obtain from him is obtained by simple knowledge. For as it is not the sight but the eating of bread that gives nourishment to the body, so the soul must partake of Christ truly and thoroughly, that by his energy it may grow up into spiritual life. According to them, to eat is merely to believe; while I maintain that the flesh of Christ is eaten by believing and that THIS EATING is the fruit of faith…the Lord was pleased, by calling himself the bread of life, not only to teach that our salvation is treasured up in the faith of his death and resurrection, but also, by virtue of true communication with him, his life passes into us and becomes ours, just as bread when taken for food gives nourishment to the body.

Philip Cary—Catholics don’t worry about whether they have saving faith but whether they are in a state of mortal sin—so they go to confession. Reformed Protestants don’t worry about mortal sin but about whether they have true saving faith—so they seek conversion. Luther points to the words “for you,” and insists that they include me.

Since I was born to a Canaanite family.I come with faith alone, without water, without clergy, without Christian parents, without promises to those born in the covenant, and also DENYING THAT I will or can come more and more near by agreeing with the tradition about the “real presence.”

When Jesus passed the bread around the table during that Passover before His death, was the bread ontologically identical to the substance of the living body that was doing the passing?
His body was doing the passing, but was it also being passed out? .Jesus said– “this is” my body…

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4 Comments on “Chuck E. Cheese Tokens–Does your church PAY OUT with SACRAMENTAL CURRENCY?”

  1. markmcculley Says:

    https://www.vulcanhammer.org/2015/01/01/bill-clintons-eucharistic-theology-it-depends-on-what-is-is/

    https://www.rca.org/resources/belgic-confession-article-35-sacrament-lords-supper

    Article 35: The Sacrament of the Lord’s Supper

    We believe and confess
    that our Savior Jesus Christ
    has ordained and instituted the sacrament of the Holy Supper
    to nourish and sustain those
    who are already regenerated and ingrafted
    into his family,
    which is his church.

    Now those who are born again have two lives in them.
    The one is physical and temporal—
    they have it from the moment of their first birth,
    and it is common to all.
    The other is spiritual and heavenly,
    and is given them in their second birth—
    it comes through the Word of the gospel
    in the communion of the body of Christ;
    and this life is common to God’s elect only.

    Thus, to support the physical and earthly life
    God has prescribed for us
    an appropriate earthly and material bread,
    which is as common to all people
    as life itself.
    But to maintain the spiritual and heavenly life
    that belongs to believers,
    God has sent a living bread
    that came down from heaven:
    namely Jesus Christ,
    who nourishes and maintains
    the spiritual life of believers
    when eaten—
    that is, when appropriated
    and received spiritually
    by faith.

    To represent to us
    this spiritual and heavenly bread
    Christ has instituted
    an earthly and visible bread as the sacrament of his body
    and wine as the sacrament of his blood.
    He did this to testify to us that
    just as truly as we take and hold the sacrament in our hands
    and eat and drink it with our mouths,
    by which our life is then sustained,
    so truly we receive into our souls,
    for our spiritual life,
    the true body and true blood of Christ,
    our only Savior.
    We receive these by faith,
    which is the hand and mouth of our souls.

    Now it is certain
    that Jesus Christ did not prescribe
    his sacraments for us in vain,
    since he works in us all he represents
    by these holy signs,
    although the manner in which he does it
    goes beyond our understanding
    and is incomprehensible to us,
    just as the operation of God’s Spirit
    is hidden and incomprehensible.

    Yet we do not go wrong when we say
    that what is eaten is Christ’s own natural body
    and what is drunk is his own blood—
    but the manner in which we eat it
    is not by the mouth, but by the Spirit
    through faith.

    In that way Jesus Christ remains always seated
    at the right hand of God the Father
    in heaven—
    but he never refrains on that account
    to communicate himself to us
    through faith.

    This banquet is a spiritual table
    at which Christ communicates himself to us
    with all his benefits.
    At that table he makes us enjoy himself
    as much as the merits of his suffering and death,
    as he nourishes, strengthens, and comforts
    our poor, desolate souls
    by the eating of his flesh,
    and relieves and renews them
    by the drinking of his blood.

    Moreover,
    though the sacraments and what they signify are joined together,
    not all receive both of them.
    The wicked certainly take the sacrament,
    to their condemnation,
    but do not receive the truth of the sacrament,
    just as Judas and Simon the Sorcerer both indeed
    received the sacrament,
    but not Christ,
    who was signified by it.
    He is communicated only to believers.

    Finally,
    with humility and reverence
    we receive the holy sacrament
    in the gathering of God’s people,
    as we engage together,
    with thanksgiving,
    in a holy remembrance
    of the death of Christ our Savior,
    and as we thus confess
    our faith and Christian religion.
    Therefore none should come to this table
    without examining themselves carefully,
    lest by eating this bread
    and drinking this cup
    they “eat and drink judgment against themselves.”80

    In short,
    by the use of this holy sacrament
    we are moved to a fervent love
    of God and our neighbors.

    Therefore we reject
    as desecrations of the sacraments
    all the muddled ideas and condemnable inventions
    that people have added and mixed in with them.
    And we say that we should be content with the procedure
    that Christ and the apostles have taught us
    and speak of these things
    as they have spoken of them.

  2. markmcculley Says:

    Barth–To speak of a continuation or extension of the incarnation in the Church is not only out of place but even blasphemous. Its distinction from the world is not the same as His; it is not that of the Creator from His creature. Its superiority to the world is not the same as His; it is not that of the Lord seated at the right hand of the Father. Hence it must guard as if from the plague against any posturing or acting as if in relation to world-occurrence it were an alter Chrisus [another Christ], or a vicarius Christ [vicar of Christ], or a mediator of all graces, not only out of fear of God, but also because in any such behaviour, far from really exalting itself or discharging such functions, it can only betray, surrender, hazard and lose its TRUE INVISIBLE BEING, and therefore its true distinction from the world and superiority to world-occurrence. (CD IV.3.2, 729)

    http://dguretzki.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/incarnational-church-blasphemy/

    Matthew 7: 6 Do not give what is holy to dogs or your pearls to pigs or they will trample them with their feet, turn, and tear you to pieces.

    Matthew 15: 22 Just then a Canaanite woman from that region came and kept crying out,“Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David! My daughter is cruelly tormented by a demon.” 23 Yet He did not say a word to her. So His disciples approached Him and urged Him, “Send her away because she cries out after us.” 24 He replied, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came, knelt before Him, and said, “Lord, help me!” 26 He answered, “It isn’t right to take the children’s bread and throw it to their dogs.” 27 “Yes, Lord,” she said, “yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table!” 28 Then Jesus replied to her, “Woman, your faith is great. IT WILL BE DONE FOR YOU as you want.” And from that moment her daughter was cured.

  3. markmcculley Says:

    Gary North–Value is not a metaphysically existing sub­stance. An object is simply valued (passive) by someone who actively values it. Marx always chided capitalist thinkers for making a “fetishism of commodities,” i.e., ascribing to economic goods a life of their own apart from the hu­man and social relations that make possible the creation of the goods. But this is precisely his labor theory of value. https://fee.org/articles/the-fallacy-of-intrinsic-value/

  4. markmcculley Says:

    “Nicodemite” is often used as a term of disparagement, applied to persons who are suspected of public misrepresentation of their actual religious beliefs by the practice of dissemblance (exhibiting false appearance) and dissimulation (concealing true beliefs). Certain “spiritualists” refused to join the anabaptists in public believer-baptism, and pretended to take the “sacrament” in the parish church to avoid martyrdom.

    https://witheredgrass.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/jonathan-malesic-keeping-faith-quiet/


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