Already Condemned

I Corinthians 2: 4 But thanks be to God, who always puts US on display in Christ and through US spreads the aroma of the knowledge of Him in every PLACE.15 For to God WE are the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. 16 To some WE are an aroma of death leading to death, but to others, an aroma of life leading to life

I Cor 7: 10 For godly grief produces a repentance not to be regretted and leading to salvation, but worldly grief produces death

Matthew 27:3 Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was full of remorse and returned the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders. 4 “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood,” he said. “What’s that to us?” they said. “See to it yourself!” 5 So Judas threw the silver into the SANCTUARY and departed. Then he went and hanged himself.

Hebrews 12: 15 Make sure that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no root of bitterness springs up, causing trouble and by it, defiling many. 16 And make sure that there isn’t any person like Esau, who sold his birthright in exchange for one meal. 17 For you know that later, when Esau wanted to INHERIT the blessing, he was rejected because Esau didn’t find any opportunity for repentance, though he sought it with tears.

All humans are born already condemned

God does not need to harden any sinner to condemn that sinner.

God does not need to teach the gospel to the non-elect sinner in order to condemn the non-elect sinner.

God does need to teach the gospel to the elect sinner in order to justify the elect sinner.

W know that God’s severity is just, but why does God harden some non-elect sinners with the gospel and orain that other non-elect sinners never hear any gospel?

John 3: 19 “This, then, is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who practices wicked things hates the light and avoids the light, in order that their deeds not be exposed. 21 But anyone who LIVES BY THE TRUTH comes to the light

God rejects some sinners on purpose and unconditionally.

“Equal ultimacy” does not mean that the wages of sin are God’s gift. “Equal ultimacy” does not mean that the gift of life is God’s wages for our works.

Romans 6: 23 For the WAGES of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is lasting life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

“Equal ultimacy” does NOT mean that the death of the non-elect is a different kind of lasting life.

John 8: 41 We weren’t born of sexual immorality,” they said. “We have one Father—God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, because I came from God and I am here.  I did not come
on My own, but God the Father sent Me. 43 Why DON’T YOU  understand what I say? Because you CANNOT listen to My word.

John 10:29  You do not believe because you are not of my sheep

I Peter 2:8 They stumble because they disobey the message. They were destined for this.

Mark 4: 11 Jesus answered them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those OUTSIDE, everything comes in parables 12 in order that they look and look,
yet not perceive;
they listen and listen,
yet not understand;
otherwise, they would turn back—
and be forgiven.

II Thessalonians 1: at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with His powerful angels, 8 taking vengeance with flaming fire on those who don’t know God and on those who don’t obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of lasting destruction from the Lord’s presence and SHUT OUT

The non-elect truly have their own guilt. They are born guilty by God’s imputation of Adam’s sin to them. God also imputes the guilt of Adam to the elect, but God’s intention to justify His elect sinners never waivers. The elect never merit justification. The elect have no merits of their own, nor can they boast in themselves. Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.

The word “reprobate” in the Bible means “disapproved” or “condemned”. Even elect sinners are born condemned (“reprobate”). The sheep are never goats. But the sheep are not born justified.

Arminians want to say—you are accepted, accept your acceptance, but what if you don’t, well that’s on you. But even when Arminians say that “the no is on you”, many of them try not to say that the “yes is on you” . That would shed too much light on the con-game being played by Arminians.

It’s God yes, not your yes, but if you say no, well that’s you. But if you don’t say no, that means you say yes, but that yes is not yours, your yes is God’s doing in you. So it was yes, by default, you were born justified, but then you lost it by your no. But of course, only in one sense, you never lost it, because God will still be saying yes to you, even as you perish in the second death. As the Arminian CS Lewis explained, “hell” is only locked by you on the inside.

Infralapsarians flatten out Romans 9 to try to make it seem reasonable and non-objectionable, but at least they do read the default as we all being guilty and condemned sinners. They explain that God causes elect sinners to say yes, and that God does not need to cause non-elect sinners to say no, because all of us are born saying no.

But the Arminian default run the other way–God is saying yes to everybody, and you will be justified, unless you say no. Your no will stop God from getting what God wanted but your no will be an excuse (theodicy) to explain why it’s still not God’s fault because at least you had your “chance”.

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11 Comments on “Already Condemned”

  1. markmcculley Says:

    Even though only ungodly sinners are justified
    or need to be justified
    this does not mean that God justifies all ungodly sinners

    you can be a sinner without being justified
    you can know you are a sinner without being justified
    God never will justify all sinners

    Jesus rejects many sinners as His guilty clients, because Jesus was never the mediator for many guilty sinners

    God’s election comes first before Christ’s atonement
    Atonement to satisfy justice is a result of God’s love for the elect
    God’s love for the elect is not a result of Atonement for the elect

    This means that election is not the same thing as the atonement
    This means that election is not the same thing as justification.

    God loved the elect before God made justice for the elect.
    God has already made justice for the elect
    God has already not made justice for the non-elect
    God has already not loved the non-elect

    God loved the elect in Christ before Christ made atonement for the elect alone
    but God does not justify God’s elect apart from the Atonement

    I find it interesting that these very same preachers who are teaching “eternal election is eternal justification” are the very same people who also like to say that “non-election is not condemnation”.

    When they say this, logically they should change their soundbites so that “election is not salvation but only unto salvation”. They quote CD Cole—“Election is not the cause of anybody going to hell, for election is unto salvation (2 Thessalonians 2: 13). Neither is non-election responsible for the damnation of sinners. Sin is the thing that sends men to hell, and all men are sinners by nature and practice. Sinners are sinners altogether apart from election or non-election. It does not follow that because election is unto salvation that non-election is unto damnation. Sin is the damning element in human life. Election harms nobody.”

    Those who refuse to give explanations like to have their cake and also eat it. On the hand, they like to reduce salvation to God’s sovereignty and equate election with justification ( and don’t talk about justification or Christ obtaining righteousness by being imputed with guilt). But on the other hand, when it comes to explaining the non-salvation of the non-elect, these same preachers don’t want to talk about God’s sovereignty but only about God’s justice.

    But guilt is not enough for destruction, because you also have to be non-elect. The elect are also born guilty in sin, under the wrath of God, but all the elect will pass from guilt to justification. But these preachers deny that the elect are ever guilty, and they minimize any idea that Christ was imputed with the guilt of the elect, and in that way obtained justification for the elect. And these same preachers deny that non-election is any factor in some sinners not being saved.

    Romans 9: 11 For though her sons had not been born yet or done anything good OR BAD, so that God’s purpose according to election would stand— 12 not from works but from the One who calls

    Romans 1: 16 does NOT read—For I am not ashamed of the gospel, For in the gospel God’s free and sovereign grace is revealed

    Romans 1: 16 does NOT READ For I am not ashamed of the gospel, For in the gospel God’s love is revealed

    Romans 1: 16 reads For I am not ashamed of the gospel,because it is God’s power for salvation to as many as who believe, first to the Jew, and also to the Greek. 17 For in the gospel God’s RIGHTEOUSNESS is revealed

    Romans 1 :17 it is written: The righteous will live by faith

    Romans 1:17 does NOT teach that the elect are already justified apart from faith in God’s revealed righteousness

    Romans 1:17 does NOT teach that election is God’s righteousness

    Romans 1:17 does NOT teach that Christ already obtained justice for the elect before the ages

    Romans 1;17 does NOT teach that God’s purpose in Christ to obtain justice for the elect is the very same as Christ having already obtained justice for the elect

    God loved the elect before God made justice for the elect.
    God has already made justice for the elect

    God does demand justice
    But the righteousness of God revealed in the gospel is not God’s demand for justice
    The Righteousness of God revealed in the gospel is Christ’s death for the Elect to Bring in Justice for the Elect
    God has not placed all the elect into Christ’s death
    God has not yet imputed this justice accomplished and obtained to all the Elect

  2. markmcculley Says:

    We need to know what the gospel is. And we need to say that those who reject the gospel are condemned already. John 3:17-21 “He who DOES THE TRUTH comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” There is no pleasing God without faith in God’s gospel. We “do the truth” only when we confess that salvation is not caused by our deeds but “done in God” https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2010/06/13/phil-johnson-and-john-reisinger-no-grace-for-the-real-prodigals/

    Bavinck:“…When the covenant of grace is separated from election, it ceases to be a covenant of grace and becomes again a covenant of works. Election implies that God grants man freely and out of grace the salvation which man can never again achieve in his own strength. But if this salvation is not the sheer gift of grace but in some way depends upon the conduct of men, then the covenant of grace is converted into a covenant of works. Man must then satisfy some condition in order to inherit eternal life.

    “So far from election and the covenant of grace forming a contrast of opposites, the election is the basis and guarantee, the heart and core, of the covenant of grace. And it is so indispensably important to cling to this close relationship because the least weakening of it not merely robs one of the true insight into the achieving and application of salvation, but also robs the believers of their only and sure comfort in the practice of their spiritual life.”

    https://theworldsruined.blogspot.com/2014/03/gospel-threatenings.html

  3. markmcculley Says:

    God’s wrath is revealed

    Grace revealed is not a condition for moral responsibility.

    Romans 1:18 For God’s wrath is revealed from Heaven on all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, holding the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because the thing known of God is clearly known within them, for God revealed it to them. 20 for the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things made, both His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse

  4. markmcculley Says:

    were they blind or not?

    John 9:39 And Jesus said, I came into this world for judgment, IIN ORDER THAT that the ones who do not see will see, and IN ORDER THAT they who see BECOME BLIND 40 And those of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things, and said to Him, Are we also blind? 41 Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin. But NOW THAT YOU SAY, WE SEE therefore, your sin remains.

    John 3:17 “God did not send his Son into the world to judge the world, but in order that the world be saved through him.

    John 12:47 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.”

    John 5:22 the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgement to the Son….”
    John 8:15 “You judge by human standards; I pass judgement on no one.”

  5. markmcculley Says:

    Ferguson–in Eve’s case antinomianism (her opposition to and rejection of God’s law) was itself an expression of her legalism!”

    https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/46541466-the-whole-christ-legalism-antinomianism-and-gospel-assurance-why-the?page=2

    before the cross there was already grace in the creation before the fall? –Sinclair Ferguson–“What was injected into Eve’s mind and affections during the conversation with the Serpent was a deep-seated suspicion of God that was soon further twisted into rebellion against him. The root of her antinomianism (opposition to and breach of the law) was actually the legalism that was darkening her understanding, dulling her senses, and destroying her affection for her heavenly Father. Now, like a pouting child of the most generous father, she acted as though she wanted to say to God, “You never give me anything. You insist on me earning everything I am ever going to have.

  6. markmcculley Says:

    O break, O break hard heart of mine
    My weak self-love and guilty pride
    His Pilate and His Judas were
    Jesus our Lord is Crucified

    Pilate was Pilate and Judas was Judas and it is not the gospel that condemns me or anybody –,we are already condemned by the law

    The cross is not what condemns. Good news for the elect, the gospel is not what condemns the non-elect. Rejecting the cross is not what condemns the non-elect, because we are all already condemned in Adam . The false gospel which says that Jesus Christ died for every sinner is not gospel. The false gospel turns a supposedly universal death into guilt for those who don’t meet conditions which supposedly make that death effective.

    John 3: 14 As Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 so that as many as who believe in Him WILL HAVE LASTING LIFE .. 17 For God did NOT send His Son into the world IN ORDER TO CONDEMN the world

    alll humans are born already condemned

    God does not need to harden any sinner to condemn that sinner.

    God does not need to teach the gospel to the non-elect sinner in order to condemn the non-elect sinner.

    God does need to teach the gospel to the elect sinner in order to justify the elect sinner.

    Did You Kill Jesus?

    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jarsofclay/ocomeandmournwithmeawhile.html

    https://hymnary.org/hymn/TH1990/262

    http://hymnbook.igracemusic.com/hymns/o-come-and-mourn-with-me-awhile

    https://hymnary.org/text/o_come_and_mourn_with_me_awhile

    Paul Helm—“We may note that one thing that the Amyraldian proposal does is to weaken connection between the plight of the race in the fall of Adam. For now the responsibility of each of the non-elect comes simply from hearing and not receiving the message of grace.”

    http://paulhelmsdeep.blogspot.com/2015/04/amyraut-one-more-time.html

  7. markmcculley Says:

    John 15: 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin. Now they have no excuse for their sin.

  8. Mark Mcculley Says:

    john 3: 36 “For God loved the world in this way:– God gave His Only Begotten Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not PERISH h but have lastin LIFE . 17 For God did not send His Son into the world in order to condemn the world, but tin order hat the world be saved through Him. 18 Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already condemned

    John 3:18 ANYONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN HIM IS ALREADY CONDEMNED\

    Those who teach two justifications cannot agree with John 3:18, because they teach that many of those who do not yet believe the gospel are already justified.

    Mostly those who teach two justifications ingore questions about John 3:18 or John 3:36.

    I guess they could say that the texts really mean “those who never believe” are already condemned. And then to fit their own understanding, they could change the texts to say “if you ever believe, then you were never condemned (before God but only in your conscience)
    And then, if you still insist on more questions, they could accuse you of being Arminian, since you are hung up on the “those who believe”

    John 3: 36 The one who believes in the Son has lasting life, but the one who oes not believe in the Son will not see LIFE. Instead, the wrath of God REMAINS on him.

    If we believe what the Bible teaches about two legal states and one justification, we know that God’s wrath does not remain on the elect. We do not need to deny that God’s wrath was ever toward the elect, before their justification. To deny that wrath was ever on the elect is very much like denying that wrath was ever on the Surety of the elect.

  9. Mark Mcculley Says:

    the lasting covenant of Hebrews is the new covenant, the covenant
    mediated by the blood (the death in history of Jesus Christ )
    Hebrews 13: 20 “The God of peace, who brought up from the dead our Lord Jesus—the great Shepherd of the sheep—with the blood of the lasting covenant”. The lasting covenant of Hebrews is the new
    covenant, the one mediated by the blood (the death) of Jesus
    Romans 8: 3 What the law could not do since it was limited[ by the
    flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending HIS OWN SON IN FLESH like ours under sin and as a sin offering
    Thank God for the flesh of Christ! The flesh of Christ was not
    corrupted nor did it become corrupt. Christ was under the legal state of guilt by God’s legal imputation before Chrsit died, and then our Surety passed into a new legal state in which all His elect were entitled to justification and all the other blessings of salvation
    Hebrews 9: 14 how much more will the blood of the Christ who through the lasting Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to serve the living God? 15 Therefore, Christ is the mediator of A NEW COVENANT, in order that those who are called receive the promise of the lasting inheritance, because A DEATH HAS TAKEN PLACE for redemption from the transgressions committed

  10. Mark Mcculley Says:

    The gospel has a command and a promise, not n offer. Tianqi Wu Nobody will be lost because they rejected grace. They will be lost because there was never grace for them. This non-grace is not conditioned on their unbelief or other sins, but the sovereign purpose of God. This is not unjust, since grace is not given or withheld as a reward or punishment to creature’s righteousness or unrighteousness. Grace comes from above and comes into the sphere of Law, to satisfy the demand of Law for the recipients of grace. This is the righteousness of God in the salvation of His elect. We cannot “accept the offer” of grace because grace doesn’t make an offer to anyone. Rather a mediator has come and settled the legal transaction on behalf of the elect, without consideration of their knowledge or consent. The published gospel is the end product of the accomplished redemption and every promise in it is backed up by this finished work. One guaranteed result is that all the elect will come to know and love the gospel in this life. This is caused by the Spirit’s work of regeneration, and happens when that righteousness is imputed to them to free them from legal condemnation.

  11. Mark Mcculley Says:

    Hebrews 6:1– “Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God”. A godly contrition (repentance) can come only in light of the Gospel wherein Christ and His righteousness is revealed as the only difference between justified and condemned. . This godly contrition includes new knowledge concerning the character of God and concerning the one and only reason God is just in justifying the ungodly elect.
    This godly contrition is a change of mind concerning our best religious efforts to remove the guilt and defilement of sin, our old efforts to recommend ourselves to God, our works motivated in the interests of attaining and maintaining salvation.
    The Apostle Paul illustrates this clearly in Philippians 3:3-10. In true Gospel contrition a sinner comes to see and trust that Christ’s death imputed is the objective reality upon which God justifies and gives all other blessings of salvation, including the subjective work of the Spirit, BEFORE that justified sinner does any good work.
    The godly contrite come to see that before FAITH in the true gospel, their best efforts at obedience, all that they highly esteemed and thought was profitable in recommending THEM unto God, is BS.
    What We before thought was pleasing unto God and works of the Spirit, after gospel repentance, we now see as “flesh” (Philippians 3:3-4). What twe once highly esteemed, now in repentancce we are ashamed of(Romans 6:21) and now, in light of the Gospel, know it was all DEAD WORKS.
    In gospel repentance, the sinner turns away from the idol of God enabling us to contribute to the righteousness and TURNS TO the true and living God (1 Thessalonians 1:9). The Gospel light exposes the sin that deceives all of us , becaue we also were born guilty in sin (John 3:19-20).


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