Already Condemned

I Corinthians 2: 4 But thanks be to God, who always puts US on display in Christ and through US spreads the aroma of the knowledge of Him in every PLACE.15 For to God WE are the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. 16 To some WE are an aroma of death leading to death, but to others, an aroma of life leading to life

I Cor 7: 10 For godly grief produces a repentance not to be regretted and leading to salvation, but worldly grief produces death

Matthew 27:3 Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was full of remorse and returned the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders. 4 “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood,” he said. “What’s that to us?” they said. “See to it yourself!” 5 So Judas threw the silver into the SANCTUARY and departed. Then he went and hanged himself.

Hebrews 12: 15 Make sure that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no root of bitterness springs up, causing trouble and by it, defiling many. 16 And make sure that there isn’t any person like Esau, who sold his birthright in exchange for one meal. 17 For you know that later, when Esau wanted to INHERIT the blessing, he was rejected because Esau didn’t find any opportunity for repentance, though he sought it with tears.

All humans are born already condemned

God does not need to harden any sinner to condemn that sinner.

God does not need to teach the gospel to the non-elect sinner the gospel in order to condemn the non-elect sinner.

God does need to teach the gospel to the elect sinner in order to justify the elect sinner.

W know that God’s severity is just, but why does God harden some non-elect sinners with the gospel and orain that other non-elect sinners never hear any gospel?

John 3: 19 “This, then, is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who practices wicked things hates the light and avoids the light, in order that their deeds not be exposed. 21 But anyone who LIVES BY THE TRUTH
comes to the light

God rejects some sinners on purpose and unconditionally.

Equal ultimacy means that God ordains not only creatures but sinners on both sides.
God ordains sinners as a means to redemption.
God ordains sinners as a means to destruction.

Equal ultimacy does not mean that the wages of sin are God’s gift. Equal ultimacy does not mean that the gift of life is God’s wages for our works.

Romans 6: 23 For the WAGES of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is lasting life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Equal ultimacy does NOT mean that the death of the non-elect is a different kind of lasting life.

John 10:29 you do not believe because you are not of my sheep

I Peter 2:8 They stumble because they disobey the message. They were destined for this.

Mark 4: 11 Jesus answered them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those OUTSIDE, everything comes in parables 12 in order that

they look and look,
yet not perceive;
they listen and listen,
yet not understand;
otherwise, they would turn back—
and be forgiven.

II Thessalonians 1: at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with His powerful angels, 8 taking vengeance with flaming fire on those who don’t know God and on those who don’t obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of lasting destruction from the Lord’s presence and SHUT OUT

Revelation 22: 10 He also said to me… the time is near. 11 Let the unrighteous go on in unrighteousness; let the filthy go on being made filthy; let the righteous go on in righteousness; and let the holy go on being made holy.” 12 “Look! I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me to repay each person according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, in order that to have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the…idolaters

James White–“What is required on God’s part to bring about the salvation of a sinner, the self-giving of the Son of God, raising someone to life, these are some of the greatest miracles in all the history of God. God doesn’t have to do any of that to bring the non-elect into the position of his final condemnation.”

The non-elect truly have their own guilt. They are born guilty by God’s imputation of Adam’s sin to them. God also imputes the guilt of Adam to the elect, but God’s intention to justify His elect sinners never waivers. The elect never merit justification. The elect have no merits of their own, nor can they boast in themselves. Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.

The word “reprobate” in the Bible means “disapproved” or “condemned”. Even elect sinners are born “reprobate”. The sheep are never goats. But the sheep are not born justified

Arminians want to say—you are accepted, accept your acceptance, but what if you don’t, well that’s on you. But even when Arminians say that “the no is on you”, many of them try not to say that the “yes is on you” . That would shed too much light on the con-game being played by Arminians.

It’s God yes, not your yes, but if you say no, well that’s you. But if you don’t say no, that means you say yes, but that yes is not yours, your yes is God’s doing in you. So it was yes, by default, you were born justified, but then you lost it by your no. But of course, only in one sense, you never lost it, because God will still be saying yes to you, even as you perish in the second death. As the Arminian CS Lewis explained, “hell” is only locked by you on the inside.

Infralapsarians flatten out Romans 9 to try to make it seem reasonable and non-objectionable, but at least they do read the default as we all being guilty and condemned sinners. They explain that God causes elect sinners to say say, and that God does not need to cause non-elect sinnrs to say no, because all of us are born saying no.

But the Arminian default run the other way–God is saying yes to everybody, and you will be justified, unless you say no. Your no will stop God from getting what God wanted but your no will be an excuse (theodicy) to explain why it’s still not God’s fault because at least you had your “chance”.

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4 Comments on “Already Condemned”

  1. markmcculley Says:

    Even though only ungodly sinners are justified
    or need to be justified
    this does not mean that God justifies all ungodly sinners

    you can be a sinner without being justified
    you can know you are a sinner without being justified
    God never will justify all sinners

    Jesus rejects many sinners as His guilty clients, because Jesus was never the mediator for many guilty sinners

    God’s election comes first before Christ’s atonement
    Atonement to satisfy justice is a result of God’s love for the elect
    God’s love for the elect is not a result of Atonement for the elect

    This means that election is not the same thing as the atonement
    This means that election is not the same thing as justification.

    God loved the elect before God made justice for the elect.
    God has already made justice for the elect
    God has already not made justice for the non-elect
    God has already not loved the non-elect

    God loved the elect in Christ before Christ made atonement for the elect alone
    but God does not justify God’s elect apart from the Atonement

    I find it interesting that these very same preachers who are teaching “eternal election is eternal justification” are the very same people who also like to say that “non-election is not condemnation”.

    When they say this, logically they should change their soundbites so that “election is not salvation but only unto salvation”. They quote CD Cole—“Election is not the cause of anybody going to hell, for election is unto salvation (2 Thessalonians 2: 13). Neither is non-election responsible for the damnation of sinners. Sin is the thing that sends men to hell, and all men are sinners by nature and practice. Sinners are sinners altogether apart from election or non-election. It does not follow that because election is unto salvation that non-election is unto damnation. Sin is the damning element in human life. Election harms nobody.”

    Those who refuse to give explanations like to have their cake and also eat it. On the hand, they like to reduce salvation to God’s sovereignty and equate election with justification ( and don’t talk about justification or Christ obtaining righteousness by being imputed with guilt). But on the other hand, when it comes to explaining the non-salvation of the non-elect, these same preachers don’t want to talk about God’s sovereignty but only about God’s justice.

    But guilt is not enough for destruction, because you also have to be non-elect. The elect are also born guilty in sin, under the wrath of God, but all the elect will pass from guilt to justification. But these preachers deny that the elect are ever guilty, and they minimize any idea that Christ was imputed with the guilt of the elect, and in that way obtained justification for the elect. And these same preachers deny that non-election is any factor in some sinners not being saved.

    Romans 9: 11 For though her sons had not been born yet or done anything good OR BAD, so that God’s purpose according to election would stand— 12 not from works but from the One who calls

    Romans 1: 16 does NOT read—For I am not ashamed of the gospel, For in the gospel God’s free and sovereign grace is revealed

    Romans 1: 16 does NOT READ For I am not ashamed of the gospel, For in the gospel God’s love is revealed

    Romans 1: 16 reads For I am not ashamed of the gospel,because it is God’s power for salvation to as many as who believe, first to the Jew, and also to the Greek. 17 For in the gospel God’s RIGHTEOUSNESS is revealed

    Romans 1 :17 it is written: The righteous will live by faith

    Romans 1:17 does NOT teach that the elect are already justified apart from faith in God’s revealed righteousness

    Romans 1:17 does NOT teach that election is God’s righteousness

    Romans 1:17 does NOT teach that Christ already obtained justice for the elect before the ages

    Romans 1;17 does NOT teach that God’s purpose in Christ to obtain justice for the elect is the very same as Christ having already obtained justice for the elect

    God loved the elect before God made justice for the elect.
    God has already made justice for the elect

    God does demand justice
    But the righteousness of God revealed in the gospel is not God’s demand for justice
    The Righteousness of God revealed in the gospel is Christ’s death for the Elect to Bring in Justice for the Elect
    God has not placed all the elect into Christ’s death
    God has not yet imputed this justice accomplished and obtained to all the Elect

  2. markmcculley Says:

    We need to know what the gospel is. And we need to say that those who reject the gospel are condemned already. John 3:17-21 “He who DOES THE TRUTH comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” There is no pleasing God without faith in God’s gospel. We “do the truth” only when we confess that salvation is not caused by our deeds but “done in God” https://markmcculley.wordpress.com/2010/06/13/phil-johnson-and-john-reisinger-no-grace-for-the-real-prodigals/

    Bavinck:“…When the covenant of grace is separated from election, it ceases to be a covenant of grace and becomes again a covenant of works. Election implies that God grants man freely and out of grace the salvation which man can never again achieve in his own strength. But if this salvation is not the sheer gift of grace but in some way depends upon the conduct of men, then the covenant of grace is converted into a covenant of works. Man must then satisfy some condition in order to inherit eternal life.

    “So far from election and the covenant of grace forming a contrast of opposites, the election is the basis and guarantee, the heart and core, of the covenant of grace. And it is so indispensably important to cling to this close relationship because the least weakening of it not merely robs one of the true insight into the achieving and application of salvation, but also robs the believers of their only and sure comfort in the practice of their spiritual life.”

    https://theworldsruined.blogspot.com/2014/03/gospel-threatenings.html

  3. markmcculley Says:

    God’s wrath is revealed

    Grace revealed is not a condition for moral responsibility.

    Romans 1:18 For God’s wrath is revealed from Heaven on all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, holding the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because the thing known of God is clearly known within them, for God revealed it to them. 20 for the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things made, both His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse

  4. markmcculley Says:

    were they blind or not?

    John 9:39 And Jesus said, I came into this world for judgment, IIN ORDER THAT that the ones who do not see will see, and IN ORDER THAT they who see BECOME BLIND 40 And those of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things, and said to Him, Are we also blind? 41 Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin. But NOW THAT YOU SAY, WE SEE therefore, your sin remains.

    John 3:17 “God did not send his Son into the world to judge the world, but in order that the world be saved through him.

    John 12:47 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.”

    John 5:22 the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgement to the Son….”
    John 8:15 “You judge by human standards; I pass judgement on no one.”


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