4 Comments on “We Need Less Culture and More Gospel from Tim Keller”

  1. markmcculley Says:

    1. All that has happened was meant to be and decreed by God.
    2. The sin of Adam was ordained by God as a means to the redemption of the elect by Christ to the glory of Christ.
    3. The sin of Adam was not a failure to build a culture but eating from the forbidden tree.
    4. The command to not eat from the forbidden tree was not a gift of grace, but law.
    5. Grace assumes sin and the need for grace, therefore there was no grace manifest in the garden before Adam’s sin, even though of course grace was always in the decree. (For more on this, see Mark Karlberg and other Klineans.)
    6. Adam was not created as neutral “nature” in need of “supernature grace”. Adam was created in a righteous relationship with God.
    7. But this is not to say (with Lutherans) that redemption is a return to what was, nor is it to speculate on what Adam “could have or might have” done in a “covenant of works”, but to say that grace is located nowhere but in Christ’s work for those God loves.

  2. markmcculley Says:

    Chris H—-if one defines the Gospel as more than just salvation but as including the redemption of all of culture in this era, then our work in this world better be really, really good and influential, or we are just not doing much for the kingdom.

    mark: Yes, there are many ways that we know that Doug Wilson is a legalist (a second aspect of justification in the future conditioned on present “reality’) but one way is to check out the “classical schools” under his influence.

    They don’t train people to have a job which serves others and pays enough to make a living. No, they insist that every job is a “calling” and they think learning Latin and having parents who send you to a classical schools means that you should be an elite “leader”.

    Being Kuyperian means never having to call being a retail clerk a “calling” because it’s grace that makes Christian people superior so that they don’t have to do that but can use what’s been infused and imparted to them to go from strength to strength.

  3. markmcculley Says:

    Calvin As to riches and honors, when we have divested ourselves of attachment to them, we will be prepared, also, to renounce the things themselves, whenever the Lord will require this from us, and so it ought to be. It is not expressly necessary that you be a poor man, in order that you may be Christian; but if it please the Lord that it should be so, you ought to be prepared to endure poverty. In fine, it is not lawful for Christians to have anything apart from Christ. I consider as apart from Christ everything that hindes the way of Christ alone being our ground of glorying.

    For those who cast their merchandise and other things into the sea, that they may escape in safety, do not, therefore, despise riches, but act as persons prepared rather to live in want, than to be drowned along with their riches. They part with them, indeed, but it is with regret and with a sigh; and when they have escaped, they bewail the loss of them. Paul, however, declares, on the other hand, that he had not merely abandoned everything that he formerly reckoned precious, but that they were like dung, offensive to him, or were disesteemed like things that are thrown away in contempt.


  4. Tim Keller— “We are an interfaith gathering today, and I freely acknowledge that every faith has great resources for dealing with suffering and injustice in the world. …Christians believe that in Jesus, God’s Son, divinity became vulnerable to andinvolved in suffering and death. He didn’t come as a general or emperor; he came as a carpenter…..True, we don’t know the reason God allows evil and suffering to continue, but we know what the reason isn’t, what it can’t be. It can’t be that he doesn’t love us. It can’t be that he doesn’t care. God so loved us and hates suffering that he was willing to come down and get involved in it. And therefore the cross is an incredibly empowering hint. It’s only a hint, but F U grasp it, it can transform you. It can give you strength. ”

    Click to access service_of_remembrance.pdf


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