If We Were Ever to Become Dead

“Died with Christ” (or “died in Christ”) means Christ died instead of the justified elect, but the result is that the person the elect used to be, that person is dead, over with, done trying to help build their own righteousness. That old person is not here now anymore. The justified elect person has nothing to gain by their works. And nothing to lose.

If we were to ever become like Christ
It would not have been us who did it
If we were to ever become dead
Christ would have killed us

We would count in a new way and not hang our future
On a divine life in us

Now that we were dead
We would count as loss
What we used to count worship

If we were to ever become dead
We would have had it Done to us
Death is suffered

What we would have lost is making outcomes
Depend on God causing us to obey
Faith always continues to need the resurrection

We do not hope for righteousness
We hope because of righteousness
We have passed from death through a death imputed

Now let’s see
If we can stand still.

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5 Comments on “If We Were Ever to Become Dead”

  1. markmcculley Says:

    redemption is not a “re-do”

    God’s legal imputation joins the elect to Christ’s death and results in “new creation”

    not a reform
    we remember to repudiate, to repent
    not to start over again trying harder this time

    not to start over, yes now we are able

    God undoes us and creates the new

    not a redo

    is the resurrection about being still the same?
    or is the resurrection about NOT like we were

    it depends
    resurrection to condemnation
    or resurrection to immortality

    Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being

    Genesis 3:19 You will eat bread by the sweat of your brow until you return to the ground, since you were taken from it. For you are dust, and you will return to dust.

    I Corinthians 15: 45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.

    47 The first man was from the earth
    and made of dust;
    the the second man is from heaven.
    48 Like the man made of dust,
    so are those who are made of dust

    50 Brothers, I tell you this: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and corruption cannot inherit incorruption.
    51 I am telling you a mystery:
    We will not all fall asleep,
    but we will all be changed,
    52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye,
    at the last trumpet.
    For the trumpet will sound,
    and the dead will be raised incorruptible,
    and we will be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must be clothed
    with incorruptibility,
    and this mortal must be clothed
    with immortality.
    54 When this corruptible is clothed
    with incorruptibility,
    and this mortal is clothed
    with immortality,

  2. markmcculley Says:

    If you are the healer, it means I’m broken and lame
    If thine is the glory then mine must be the shame
    You want it darker
    We kill the flame

    Hineni, hineni

    I’m ready, my lord

    There’s a lover in the story
    But the story’s still the same
    There’s a lullaby for suffering
    Also for blame
    But it’s written in the scriptures
    And it’s not some idle claim

  3. markmcculley Says:

    omans 6: 19 For just as you offered the parts of yourselves as slaves to moral impurity, and to greater and greater lawlessness, so now offer them as slaves to righteousness, which results in sanctification. 20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free from righteousness.21 So what fruit was produced then from the things you are now ashamed of? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now, since you have been liberated from sin and have become enslaved to God, you have your fruit, which results in sanctification—and the result is the lasting life of the age to come

    become what you are?

    what are we?

    we are imputed as righteous before God

    we are declared as righteous before God

    God’s word says that those who believe the gospel are righteousness before God

    so that is what we are

    what could we do to become what we are?

    does becoming what we are mean that we are not really what we are?

    i do not agree that the justified elect are in a process of becoming justified

    slaves of sin, free from righteousness
    or already slaves of righteousness

    black of white, not a gray zebra

    no non-imputation of our sins without also the imputation of Christ’s death
    no remission of sins without also being declared justified before God
    no condemnation before God means justification before God
    my sins covered, passed over, and taken away, then also Christ my righteousness

  4. markmcculley Says:

    become what you are?

    as a justified sinner
    i do not need to become a sinner
    and my daily sin does not make me a sinner
    because I am already sinner

    when I see Jesus on earth,
    I will not become Jesus
    but I will become something I am not now

  5. markmcculley Says:


    Do this because of who you are now or because of who you will become—Those appeals makes sense.

    But become what you are?

    If we are x, we do not need to become x unless of course there is some kind of “as if fiction” happening.

    Because you are justified, become thankful

    If you are justified, you stay justified, unless you are in a covenant where Christ is not the mediator.

    if you are justified, you don’t become condemned, unless you are in a covenant which is not governed by election and take as good news an atonement which is not governed by election.

    Nobody has always been justified, but those who have been justified are not still being justified, unless they are in a covenant where law is grace and grace is law.

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