What Good Does It Do For God to See the Train-Wreck Coming?
1 Peter 1:20 Jesus Christ was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
Acts 2:23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.
1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood:May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Ephesians 1:11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
To an Arminian enemy of the gospel:
It’s interesting that you teach that God has prescience of what humans will decide. What good does that do? If God knows already what humans will decide to do with God, what then could God do about what these humans will decide, without turning it all into a big “charade”?
Your god can see if the sinner will repent. That repentance will then cause your god’s love to work. Your god can see if the sinner will not repent. That lack of repentance will then cause your god’s love not to work. This is what you think keeps the whole thing from being a big show and pretend.
Do you ever wonder if you will keep repenting? Your god knows if you will, but since that god is your puppet, there is nothing your god can do one way or the other to keep you repenting. Are you sure you have repented enough? How do you know?
What you need to do is repent of your legalism that conditions salvation on the sinner. You are telling lies on God. God has already decided if you will repent in this way. But I do not know if you will.
God may have already decided to use these questions as a means of your repentance. Or not. God may use them as a means to harden you in your idolatry.
We do not differ on the need of saved sinners to receive and accept God’s gospel. We differ a. on whether the difference between those who believe is in what the human does with “grace” and b. even more importantly, on what the gospel is.
You deny the imputation of the specific sins of the elect to Christ, and thus you deny that Christ’s death serves as a substitute death and that it effectively propitiates God’s wrath toward specific persons.
So the difference between us is not in the need to believe. We have different gospels in which we believe, and different Gods that we worship. You say that Jesus died to give a person a pardon, but they don’t get it because they didn’t accept it.
II Peter 1:1 (with many other Scriptures) teaches that faith in the gospel is a gift of God to the elect because of Christ’s righteousness. John 10: people don’t believe to become sheep, sheep believe because they are sheep. John 17: Christ gives eternal life (knowing Him) to those Christ loves.
Those who deny that all those for whom Christ died are not Christians. They worship a different Christ. They are idolaters. An “atonement” which does not atone is not an atonement at all. It is merely a pretense on which you can build your false idea of a salvation conditioned on the sinner.
It seems clear that you deny that God puts certain people in Christ. Thus I fail to see how you believe in predestination at all. Do you get to be elect by human choosing? Or does God elect who will be saved?
An “universal provision” is not something that saves any sinner. It does not propitiate God for any sinner. It is not sufficient to save any sinner. You are importing your “depends on the sinner” system onto what the Bible clearly teaches about fore-ordination. Do you think that God planned for the death of Christ to take place in all its prophetic details?
If, on the other hand, you think that God is responding to stuff that God fore-sees
humans doing, where is there any room in there for God to intervene or to respond? Sure, the spectator sees that the train is about to wreck. But that’s what makes it dramatic and not a “charade”. If God were to jump in at any point, so that God would fore-see Himself acting and the sinner responding to God, would that kill the drama?
You teach that your god loves everybody and has done enough to save them, if they decide right. So the sinners tip the balance; they have the final and decisive say. And then you dare to suggest that God deciding EVERYTHING would be a “charade”. So you have human decision to make things real.
If God decides ANYTHING without getting human permission, is that also a pretend and a show? Does your god decide he has a plan, and then sinners decide if the plan will work for them?